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Yes Maggie. that one looks ok to me --but I can't understand why she didn't use Jane Ann in other things--
but it does look like the right one to me.

Barbara xx

Hi, I can't find another marriage in the right place or time frame for John Norwood, it MUST be him. Maybe he had a go as a blacksmith..lol. But still doesn't explain this Ann in 1851 though.

I found this birth for Jane Norwood, so I think I had better send for the cert to see who her mother is, hope it is the right one !
Births Mar 1861 (>99%)

NORWOOD Jane Ann Stepney
1c 481

Maggie

Hang on Maggie--This looks like John Norwood (1831) in 1851 census !!

1851 England Census 1851 England Census
Name: John Norwood
Age: 20
Estimated birth year: abt 1831
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Ann
Gender: Male
Where born: Shadwell, Middlesex, England

Civil parish: St Paul Shadwell
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England

Street Address: 4 Cow Lane

Registration district: Stepney
Sub-registration district: Shadwell
ED, institution, or vessel: 2h
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 36
Household Members: Name Age
John Norwood 20 --head--marr--Boiler Maker
Ann Norwood 20 --wife--marr--born --Camberwell, Surrey

Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece: 1550; Folio: 371; Page: 10; GSU roll: 174780.

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In same house

1851 England Census 1851 England Census
Name: Richard Norwood
Age: 66
Estimated birth year: abt 1785
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Mary
Gender: Male
Where born: Genlegham, Kent, England

Civil parish: St Paul Shadwell
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View image

Registration district: Stepney
Sub-registration district: Shadwell
ED, institution, or vessel: 2h
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 37
Household Members: Name Age
Richard Norwood 66 --carpenter
Mary Norwood 47
Henry Norwood 13
Charles Norwood 6
Eliza Norwood 4
Cecelia Norwood 2


Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece: 1550; Folio: 371; Page: 10; GSU roll: 174780.

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Can't find a marriage for Ann and John OR a death for Ann from 1851 to 1855 when (we think if its the right marriage) married Jane ?????

EDIT --Sorry Maggie didn't see your responces before I posted to you, On johns marriage to Jane Brown he is a "Blacksmith" but on everything else he is Boiler maker --have we got the right Marriage ?? Dads name and occ fit--Johns age fits --HELP !! LOL

It does say John is a BATCHELOR on his marriage to Jane.

just found these

Marriages Sep 1844
NORWOOD Richard Stepney
2 512

STRETCH Mary Ann Stepney
2 512



POSSIBLE DEATH OF FIRST WIFE ?
Deaths Mar 1842 (>99%)

Norwood Mary Ann Uxbridge
3 2[56]_

Maggie :))

Thanks so much Barbara, but this is a mystery..lol

If this Richard is John Norwoods father marrying in 1844, I wonder if this is a second marriage as the eldest son was born 1828 and there is a big age gap between Richard and Mary in 1841. mmm will have to think on this one !

I also found John Norwood in 1851 aged 20 with a wife Ann ! living next door to father Richard. So looks like he may have been married twice too. I cant find a marriage for John Norwood and an Ann, or a death for Ann. But he married Jane Brown in 1855

Oh I love a mystery..

Thanks again

Maggie
Edited to say I have just reread your marriage for Richard and it says he was a widower, so that fits then, a second marriage, mystery over..lol

Richard Norwoods marriage ? (john 's dad)

Name: Richard Norwood (carpenter--widower)
Age: Full Age
Estimated birth year: abt 1844 (this is how I copied the transcript --but the event took place in 1844 !!)
Spouse Name: Mary Ann Stitch (full age)
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 12 Aug 1844
Parish: St Thomas, Stepney
County: Middlesex
Borough: Tower Hamlets
Father Name: Richard Norwood ---carpernter
Spouse Father William Stitch--waterman

Address 7 Silver Street ??

Wittness William Stitch --Charles ????

( Wifes name could be Stretch--but is transcribed as Stitch)

This looks like John (1831) in 1841 Census

1841 England Census 1841 England Census
Name: John Norwood
Age: 7
Estimated birth year: abt 1834
Where born: Middlesex, England

Civil parish: St Paul Shadwell
Hundred: Ossulstone (Tower Division)
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England

Street Address: N ?? street

Occupation: View image

Registration district: Stepney
Sub-registration district: Shadwell and Wapping
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Richd Norwood 50 --carpenter
Mary Norwood 30
Robert Norwood 10
John Norwood 7
Henry Norwood 3

Hy Crawford 15
Wm Bell 20
Charlotte Bell 20
Ann Beli 5
Wm Beli 1


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Baptism for John (1831)

Name: John Norwood
Record Type: Baptism
Date: 16 Sep 1838
Father's Name: Richard Norwood (carpenter)
Mother's Name: Mary Norwood
Parish: St Paul, Shadwell
Borough: Tower Hamlets
County: Middlesex
Date of Birth November 9th 1831

Address LOOKS like 87 Grand Lane --but hard to read
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Henry Baptism (same day as Johns)

Name: Henry Norwood
Record Type: Baptism
Date: 16 Sep 1838
Father's Name: Richard Norwood (carpenter)
Mother's Name: Mary Norwood
Parish: St Paul, Shadwell
Borough: Tower Hamlets
County: Middlesex

Date of birthJuly 27th 1838

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older brother Robert

Name: Robert James Henry Norwood
Record Type: Baptism
Date: 4 May 1828
Father's Name: Richard Norwood (carpenter)
Mother's Name: Mary Ann Norwood
Parish: St George in the East
Borough: Tower Hamlets
County: Middlesex

date of birth 27th January 1828
address Dock Street

I'm not sure , Maggie, but i'm sure someone will be able to tell us--I THINK it maybe an "ongoing thing" but not sure on that either !!

I have found Baptism for John 1831 ans a brother Henry will send those

Barbata xx

No problem Barbara, thanks for looking and thanks for the marriage, I am grateful.
Do the marriage records cover all of London?

Thanks again

Maggie

Or maybe not, Maggie !!! Very unusual--the children don't seem to have been Baptised ?? How odd. i have searched without a date to make sure they weren't all baptised together--I'm getting nothing at all.
Sorry, Maggie, maybe someone else will take a look and see if they can find any baptism records for the children. I MAY be missing something (my brain this morning I think LOL) but I can't see what.!!

Best wishes
Barbara xx

Hi Maggie

Of course I will send them --your not being cheeky at all

Here is the marriage between John and Jane

Name: John Norwood (Blacksmith)
Age: 23
Estimated birth year: abt 1832
Spouse Name: Jane Brown
Spouse Age: 22
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 16 Jul 1855
Parish: St Dunstan and All Saints, Stepney
County: Middlesex
Borough: Tower Hamlets
Father Name: Richard Norwood (Carprnter)
Her Father : Henry Brown (Labourer)

Address of both 13, Green Street
wittnesses
Henry Eveden (not sure on his last name) and Jane Haynes


Will just get the others ready to send
Barbara x

Hi Barbara, thanks. I have found Jane Norwood back to 1861, parents John and Jane. Found a marriage for a Jane Brown and John Norwood Stepney 1855 1c 889. Do you have access to the transcript of that marriage at all and childrens baptisms? I have Ancestry but not access to the London records. I found children on the census,apart from Jane 1861, there is John 1856, William 1858, Robert 1864, Alfred 1869 and Charles 1872.
If I am being cheeky, just say...lol

Regards
Maggie

Ok Maggie, I will keep checking back on your thread --so if you need anything else just let us know --I nearly put the 1861 census on for Jane Norwood but realised you may want to look that up yourself--- i can put it on if you like.

best wishes
Barbara xx

Thanks Barbara, just ordered this from the GRO ! To get her fathers name.

But this means I can start working on her family while I am waiting, so thanks for this.

Regards

Maggie

Hi Maggie
Just been reading through again --don't think you have this actual record --just the index--

Name: George Prior --batchelor --labourer
Age: 25
Estimated birth year: abt 1858
Spouse Name: Jane Norwood --spinster
Spouse Age: 22
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 7 Feb 1883
Parish: St Thomas, Stepney
County: Middlesex
Borough: Tower Hamlets
Father Name: George Prior --Labourer
Spouse Father Name: John Norwood --engineer


address 21 Perth street --for both George and Jane

witnesses --Charles Bunce and and M. L ??? (sory can't make out what that says) it could say Frances

You are welcome, Maggie, but they are only "might be's" and "maybe's" they really do need cert to verify if they are correct or not!!

Best wishes
Barbara x

Thanks Barbara, my mistake, should have read it properly, just got so excited..lol

Thanks for all your help

Maggie x

Sorry Maggie I meant Jane --the daughter of Jane and george--maybe the one who married Mr Hostler !! not a remarriage for Jane the mum.

Barbara x

Hi, thanks Barbara, another possibilty, a remarriage.

Going to print all this out and have a study

I thank you again for all your help.
Maggie :)

Wnoder if this is Jane in 1911 census ??

Marridge index

December (quarter) 1907
Jane Prior
George Richard Hostler
St George in The East 1c 573

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1911 census transcription details for: 58 Dean St St Georges E

National Archive Reference:

RG14PN1514 RG78PN53 RD19 SD1 ED16 SN259


Reg. District: St George in the East Sub District: St George and St John
Parish: St George in the East Enum. District: 16

Address: 58 Dean St St Georges E
County: London


Name Relation Condition/
Yrs married Sex Age Birth
Year Occupation Where Born

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HOSTLER, George Richard Head Married
4 years M 25 1886 Carman London Stepney E

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HOSTLER, Jane Wife Married 4 years F 25 1886 London Stepney E

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HOSTLER, Juila Jane Daughter Married F 2 1909 London Stepney E

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HOSTLER, Thomas George Son Married M 0 (8 MONTHS) 1911 London Stepney E

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