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Thanks Potty, will purchase some credits.

Joy

I wouldn't worry too much about which board it is on , Joy. Most helpers look at all the boards.

Can't find a marriage for Ralph and Margaret on freebmd but I see from the 1901 census that Margaret was born in Scotland, so possible they married there.

scotlands people has only one marriage for a Ralph Copperthwaite to a Margaret. You will need to register on the site and buy credits (30 credits for £7) but you will be able to view and download the original marriage registration for 6 credits (one to view the query result and 5 to download the image). The registraion will give you Ralph and Margaret's parents not just their fathers as on an English cert.

Hmmmmmmmm,

Why has this come on to this board, I asked another question and it appears here, was originally on Ancestors, more gremlins!!!

Any ideas how to put it onto the correct board?

Joy

Hi all,

Can someone please check to see if they can find a marriage of Ralph Atkinson Copperthwaite b1871 Malton, he died at Winchester 2 Jun 1938, to a lady named Margaret Frances, I got her name from his will on Ancestry.

Thanks, Joy

On London marriages the 1895 one is not yours...William is a labourer. The 1883 marriage is not showing.

Linda x

No Cathy,

Joy

Received image of marriage thank you. Very interesting, that Alice is on the 1901 Census, just a thought is there an Alice Bristow returning to the U.K.?

I have just checked the bdm, there is 2 marriages for a William Copperthwaite in Bethnal Green, 1883 and 1895 to Alice Bristow!

Joy

This isn't your Gertrude is it Joy?

Name: Gertrude Copperthwait
Year of Record: 1901
Source/Event: 1901 Census of Canada: Province of Quebec
Comments: immigrated to Canada in 1888
Age: 21
Reference: National Archives of Canada, Microfilm Reel #T6524, District 157 - Jacques-Cartier, Sub-District H1 - Outremont, Town, page 5

You probably have this Joy but just in case.....

1911 census - household transcription
Person: COPPERTHWAITE, Gertrude
Address: Santa Marta Beaconsfield Road Blackheath S E
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COPPERTHWAITE, William Charles Head Married
21 years M 50 1861 Civil Engineer Nothamberland Bambro
COPPERTHWAITE, Alice Wife Married
21 years F 47 1864 Yorkshire Leeds
COPPERTHWAITE, Charles Cuterbert Son Single M 20 1891 Engineering Student Yorkshire Scarbro
COPPERTHWAITE, Gertrude Daughter Single F 18 1893 School Colombia S America
WOODTHOOPS, Katherine Mary Way Visitor Single F 70 1841 Private Means Essex Aveley
LUTHAM, Beatrice Mary Niece F 13 1898 School Yorkshire York
DUNT, Alice Maud Servant Single F 24 1887 Servant Domestic Middlesex Holloway
COPUS, Kate Elizabeth Servant Single F 23 1888 Servant Domestic Kent Woolwich

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Tried looking for Alice and children on incoming passenger lists however nothing showing as far as I can see.

I have this marriage for Charles...

Name: Charles Cuthbert Copperthwaite
Age: 30
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1891
Spouse Name: Alice Knowles Jackson
Spouse Age: 33
Record Type: Marriage
Marriage Date: 16 Apr 1921
Parish: Holy Trinity, Brompton Road
County: Middlesex
Borough: Kensington and Chelsea
Father Name: William Charles Copperthwaite>>>Engineer
Spouse Father Name: Archbald Hardie Jackson

If you would like a copy of the image send me a pm with your email address.

Linda x

Linda, very strange, it looks like William & Alice travelled separately, but arrived at same destination a couple of months apart!!

There is this one ?....occupation Engineer....no sign of Alice or children though..


Name: Wm C Copperthwaite
Birth Date: abt 1861
Age: 34
Port of Departure: New York, New York, United States
Arrival Date: 6 Apr 1895
Port of Arrival: Liverpool, England
Ship Name: Etruria

Linda x

Still can't find them coming back into the UK Joy :S

Cathy, they had a daughter who was born in Colombia, Sth America in 1893, it is a possibility, their son's name was Charles on the 1901 Census see above.

They arrived sometime before 1901 back in the England.

Travelling alone as a Civil Engineer

Name: William Copperthwaite
Arrival Date: 26 Mar 1895
Age: 33
Gender: Male
Port of Departure: Colon, Panama
Ship Name: West Indian
Port of Arrival: New Orleans, Louisiana
National Archives' Series Number: M259_80

Thanks Cathy, can you also see them returning to the U.K?

This isn't the right Alice is it? She is travelling with 2 children.... Cuthbert 2yrs 8 mths and Gertrude 8 mths

Name: Alice Copperthwaite
Arrival Date: 21 Mar 1893
Age: 28 Years 11 Months
Port of Departure: Liverpool, England Via West Indies and Spanish Main
Ship Name: Astronomer
Port of Arrival: New Orleans, Louisiana
National Archives' Series Number: M259

Name: Alice Copperthwaite
Arrival Date: 3 Jan 1895
Age: 28
Gender: Female
Port of Departure: Port Au Prince, Haiti
Ship Name: West Indian
Port of Arrival: New Orleans, Louisiana
National Archives' Series Number: M259_80

Can someone please have a look at departures and arrivals to Sth America for William 1861 & Alice 1864 Copperthwaite possibly with son Charles, between 1890 and 1900.

Thanks, Joy

Thank you Lynski, much appreciated

1901 census -
COPPERTHWAITE, Samuel K Head Married M 30 1871 Railway Clerk
Malton
Yorkshire VIEW
COPPERTHWAITE, Laura E G Wife Married F 29 1872
Malton
Yorkshire VIEW
COPPERTHWAITE, Percy R Son M 1 1900
Malton
Yorkshire VIEW
SUNMAN, Annie E Servant Single F 17 1884 Nurse Domestic
Burythorpe
Yorkshire VIEW
CALAM, Betsy H Servant Single F 32 1869 General Servt Domestic
East Acklam
Yorkshire VIEW

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RG number:
RG13 Piece:
4540 Folio:
95 Page:
19

Registration District:
Malton Sub District:
Malton Enumeration District:
9 Ecclesiastical Parish:
St Michael

Civil Parish:
Malton Municipal Borough:
Address:
5, Victoria Road, Malton County:
Yorkshire (North riding)




COPPERTHWAITE, William C Head Married M 40 1861 Civil Engineer
Bamboro
Northumberland VIEW
COPPERTHWAITE, Alice Wife Married F 37 1864
Leeds
Yorkshire VIEW
COPPERTHWAITE, Charles C Son M 10 1891
Scarboro
Yorkshire VIEW
COPPERTHWAITE, Gertrude Daughter F 8 1893
Santa Mata Colombia S America (British Subject) VIEW
STEDMAN, Mary A Servant Single F 27 1874 Domestic Servant
Gosport
Hampshire VIEW
NOTTAGE, Clara Servant Single F 22 1879 Domestic Servant
London VIEW
DARLEY, Hannan M Servant Single F 36 1865 Domestic Servant
Selby
Yorkshire VIEW

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RG number:
RG13 Piece:
540 Folio:
82 Page:
10

Registration District:
Greenwich Sub District:
Greenwich East Enumeration District:
10 Ecclesiastical Parish:
Christ Church

Civil Parish:
Greenwich Municipal Borough:
Address:
Santa Marta, Beaconsfield Road, Greenwich County:
London