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Just to let you all know, I rang GRO in Southport today. I decided to order Richard & Mary's Marriage Cert.
I also asked the woman about James, i explained about not finding him on Free BMD. She told me some of the free sites are incomplete, thats why i couldnt find his birth. The woman told me, that they could look for a Cert for him, so i gave her details of date. If no cert is found i will get a full refund, it was an offer i couldnt refuse.
A rellie of James's brother William, who is on GR is gonna send me a copy of Williams Birth Cert. I will send her a copy of Richard & Marys Marriage Cert!!!

Thanks Again for all your help Everyone

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This is from the Devon County Council site which explains why a lot of births were not registered:

1837-1874

On 1st July 1837, the recording of births, marriages and deaths began. The country was divided into Registration Districts, each under the control of a Superintendent Registrar.

When civil registration was introduced, it was the responsibility of these Registrars to see that births and deaths were registered in their own sub-districts. Each Registrar gathered these records from the sub-districts and sent copies to the Registrar General in London, four times a year.

Births

Note that parents were not bound to give birth information unless requested by the Registrar. Some were not truthful about the date of birth, as they had to pay if the registration was more than 6 weeks after the birth. Some parents thought baptism was a legal alternative

Some things i have learned ie...... Their ages change alot & they move alot. I will order the birth for Thomas & the marriage of Richard & Mary. I have taken on board the info you have all given me

Kempina Many Thanks


Sally

PS........ I may still have alot to learn and hope to get there in the end. Im still fairly new at this and it can be quit difficult at times!!!

If the reason you want to get the birth cert is to prove his mother's maiden name and this is the family

Rd. MAINWARING Head M Male 45 Liverpool Chair Maker Cab Mkr
Mary MAINWARING Wife M Female 40 Stafford, England
James MAINWARING Son U Male 22 Liverpool Ginger Beer Maker
Rd. MAINWARING Son U Male 18 Liverpool Carter
John MAINWARING Son U Male 16 Liverpool Cab M Chair Maker
Eliza MAINWARING Daur U Female 6 Liverpool Scholar
Hy. MAINWARING Son U Male 3 Liverpool
Wm. MAINWARING Son U Male 6 m Liverpool

Source Information:
Dwelling 13 Boundary Terrace
Census Place Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Family History Library Film 1341860
Public Records Office Reference RG11
Piece / Folio 3593 / 143
Page Number 12


try ordering the birth cert for William. You have a fairly precise qtr of birth and the only one that fits is this one

Births Dec 1880 (>99%)
Mainwaring William Liverpool 8b 2

Non Registration of births carried no penalty until 1875 (I think) so only Henry and William appear to be registered. Apparently Liverpool was well known for non-registration of births before that date

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards.page/board/ancestors/thread/1263558
????????????? Lost.com

Seems you have loads to look at and you aint using the info we have given you to keep looking ....
First rule dont believe everything you read coz they didnt know much in them days ...............................

I will get Thomas Certificate


1881 Census
James 1859
Richard 1863
John 1865
Thomas 1870
Eliza 1875
Henry 1878
William 1880

The other thread

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards.page/board/ancestors/thread/1274302

So how many brothers and sisters has he got
check them against the records
get Thomas certificate

and yes you will NEVER EVER EVER know for total sure its the right james ........but if you dont try you will never know if it is

I got their names from Baptism records.
On the Census it says Staffordshire!
All i want is to know that the James i have is my James???

I dont have marriage cert for Richard & Mary, wanted to get Birth cert for James 1st.



Sally

Who told you that? and Salford is near Staffordshire ...in those days ...I know they havent moved it but many couldnt rtead or write let alone know where they came from

Hi Gwyn

Yes he is the son of Richard Chairmaker
It said he was the son of Richard Mainwaring & Mary Doherty.
That is why i would like to get birth cert to comfirm

You put this on page one where did you get this from?
have you got the marriage certificate of these people
get certificate for the child that can be found listed above

Mary Doherty was born in Staffordshire......Kempina


Sally

Yes Sue it will comfirm for Thomas, but not James???

Thomas isnt on any other Census after 1871



Sally

Order Thomas Mainwaring birth cert ...


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Births Dec 1870 (>99%)
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Mainwaring Thomas W. Derby 8b 362

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Thomas would be 3 months old on the 1871 census which this birth will be right for him..

It will confirm the parents names and mother's maiden name.

Its all so confusing, The birth certificate i recieved for James Mainwaring born Warrington
His father John Mainwaring & mother Ann. His date of birth 23rd Oct 1858

In answer to your question Flick......Yes i did read the post!!!
People have been very helpful to me on here, and i thank them very much.
I read all the posts.

I have looked up marriage for Richard Mainwaring and found he married Mary Doherty. Also i have spoken to a relative of there youngest son William on GR.


Do you have any ideas as what to do next Kempina please???



Sally

Mary Doherty



Age:

4 MO



Estimated Birth Year:

abt 1841



Gender:

Female



Where born:

Lancashire, England







Civil parish:

Manchester



Hundred:

Salford



County/Island:

Lancashire



Country:

England








Street Address:

Occupation:




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Registration district:

Manchester



Sub-registration district:

Market Street



Neighbors:

View others on page



Piece:

573



Book:

7



Folio:

5



Page Number:

5



Household Members:




Name

Age



Thomas Doherty

25



Mary Doherty 20

Mary Doherty

4 MO

Lancsbmd confirms the marriage........

Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1857
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
MAINWARING Richard DOHERTY Mary Liverpool, Register Office or Registrar Attended Liverpool REG_LP/67/147

Buy this marriage cert....to check the man's occupation

Marriages Jun 1857 (>99%)
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Doherty Mary Liverpool 8b 451
Mainwaring Richard Liverpool 8b 451

I thought you said the mother was Mary Doherty.

why dont you check other sources to find out if that is correct.....cor if you give up now you will never find something thats harder!!