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I am researching the Hallett family who were living in Peckham around 1900.
I have a marriage certificate for William Hallett b.1894 who married Nellie Green in 1916. His father is shown as George Hallett deceased, occupation Carman.
I found the family on the 1911 census and William's mother was shown as married and deserted. Whether they found out that George was dead or not I do not know, but his mother Maria married the lodger William Weeks in 1914 and William Weeks is a witness at her son William's marriage in 1916.
I have a copy of the parish record for Maria Bradley and George Hallett in 1889 which took place at St James Church Edmonton Middlesex. At that time George's occupation was shown as a butcher.
I found George and Maria and their eldest son George in Peckham on the 1891 census. However, George and Maria's place of birth is just shown as England.
I cannot find any of the family on the 1901 census. I have no idea if George had already deserted his family by then, but I have looked for Maria b.1861 in Surrey and each of her 3 sons George b.1889, Henry b.1892 and William b.1894 and I cannot find any of them.
From George and Maria's marriage record I know that George's father was also called George and he is shown as deceased at the time of the wedding.
How can I go further back?
Hope someone can help me with this one
Lynda

Lynda, hope you don't mind but I am putting the 1911 and 1891 onto here - the info you give is spot on but I find it helps focus the mind to see it displayed on the census.


1891 England Census

Name: George Hallett
Age: 1
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1890
Relation: Son
Father's name: George Hallett
Mother's name: Maria Hallett
Gender: Male
Where born: England

Civil parish: Camberwell
Ecclesiastical parish: Christchurch
Town: Peckham
County/Island: London

Registration district: Camberwell
Sub-registration district: Peckham

George Hallett 24
Maria Hallett 30
George Hallett 1


HALLETT, George Head Married M 22 1889 Milkman Carrier London Wandsworth VIEW
HALLETT, Agnes Wife Married
3 years F 24 1887 London Camberwell S E VIEW
HALLETT, Maria Mother Of George Hallett Married Deserted
23 years F 52 1859 Penbright Surrey VIEW
HALLETT, Henry Brother Single M 19 1892 Machine Minder London Peckham S E VIEW
HALLETT JNR, George Son Single M 19 1892 Machine Minder London Peckham S E VIEW
HALLETT, Agnes Daughter Single F 3 1908 London Peckham S E VIEW
HALLETT, William Brother Single M 16 1895 Labourer London Walworth S E VIEW
WEEKS, William Lodger Single M 45 1866 Drain Flasher London Camberwell S E VIEW
RG number:
RG14 Piece:
2496 Reference:
RG14PN2496 RG78PN84 RD27 SD3 ED12 SN39

Registration District:
Camberwell Sub District:
Camberwell North Enumeration District:
12 Parish:
Camberwell

Address:
224 Southampton ST County:
London

Many thanks for that.

I wasn't sure if I could post the full census entry or not but as you say, it does help to have all the details to hand.

Lynda

George and Maria were still together in 1894:

Name: William Hallett
Record Type: Baptism
Estimated Birth Date: abt 1894
Baptism Date: 24 Sep 1894
Father's name: George Hallett occ Carman
Mother's name: Maria Hallett
Parish or Poor Law Union: Mile End Old Town St Peter
Borough: Tower Hamlets

Address: 29 Trafalgar St

Henry???

Name: Harry Hallett
Record Type: Baptism
Birth Date: 8/12/1891
Baptism Date: 12 Oct 1892
Father's name: George Hallett occ Housekeeper
Mother's name: Maria Hallett
Parish or Poor Law Union: Camberwell Christ Church
Borough: Southwark

Address: 4 Upper Hall Street

Harry/Henry Joined the army in 1909 there are some service records on Ancestry. His address at the time was 18 Blake Rd, Peckham. Unfortunately the page detailing his next of kin does not seem to be present.

Thank you for the baptism record Jonesey.

Lynda

Thank you very much Jonesey. I wasn't aware of the service record for Harry. I think the address may be a slight error as the family had connections with no.48 Blakes Rd. Then again it was not uncommon for other members of a family to live in the same street.

I'm struggling here. It's possible maria was living with someone else if she was deserted, and she & the children took on his name. I did find this which kind of fits for her and the 3 sons though the birthplaces vary a bit (I don't think the surname is correct but can't make it out - Heaton maybe?). A very long shot!

1901 England Census

Name: Maria Hesler
Age: 39
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1862
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: William Hesler
Gender: Female
Where born: Cobham, Surrey, England

Civil parish: Camberwell
Ecclesiastical parish: St Chrysostom
County/Island: London
Country: England

Registration district: Camberwell
Sub-registration district: Peckham

William Hesler 35
Maria Hesler 39
George Hesler 12 : Camberwell, London, England
Harry Hesler 8 "
Willie Hesler 5 "

Jan,

The occupation of the man that Maria is shown to be living with ties in with the man she married in 1914, I.E. Drain Flusher. As indeed does the man's age and birthplace.

Pretty sure that he is William Weekes.

Thank you brummijan. I will take a look at that census.

Lynda

Ah well! Worth a look - I couldn't find them 1911, well done. Thanks Jonesey.
Jan

Incidentally, I looked at the army record for Harry hallett in Peckham and I don't think it is the right one.
Next of kin are shown as Richard and Sophia, parents, and William brother.
Maybe they are related?
Lynda

Opps, misunderstood you Jonesey! Are you saying it might be right?
Jan

Aha! Spot on Jonesey, it does say Weeks on the 1901 image.
Eureka!
jan

That's a yes Jan. Look again at the surname on the original and compare the first letter to other capital "W's" and "H's" on the same page.

Hi again.

I think I may have solved this mystery. I will need to double check, but it looks like William Weeks and Maria Hallett were living as man and wife in 1901
William Weeks 35 drain flusher b Camberwell London
Maria 39 wife b Cobham Surrey
George 12 son b Camberwell
Harry 8 son b ditto
Willie 5 son b ditto
83 Marmont Road,Camberwell
Peckham is sub district
RG13 509/65/48 .
What do you think?

You are right - see above census and conversation!.
Jan

thanks to jan and jonesy for all your help. Obviously our messages were crossing. I do try to find the information for myself but this one really had me stumped.
You have both helped me to think about other possible connections so I am really grateful to you.
I will know where to come next time!!!

Lynda