Genealogy Chat

hello Nicky
I see you are looking at Copper.Are they the folk singer family?I have come across them in other searches.
Back to Mary Louisa Brice Miller nee Walker- she places my grandfather Henry Townsend b 1889 Newport Mon with The Xavarian Brothers as a boarder in Mayfield Kent Uk. These records are held in The University of Notre Dame showing his entrance in 1901 and recording her as his Guardian
she living at the time in Queens Gate Kensington. I am really stuck on that.Who and why was she his Guardian.

nicky
This is the family in 1861 census.Mary Louise Millers' father Henry Edward Walker -death Brunswick Place Charlton death 12/08/1850 aged 32 . listed in West India Mail Packet Co.
Mary Louise Brice Miller West Watch- Birch Grove -East Grinstead- probate value £10698 to daughter Beatrice Brice Miller 6 Albert Court Kensington 11/7/1922.

Think this may be the family in 1861....Image is very grainy...

WALKER, Elizabeth Esther Head Widow F 44 1817 ...
Greenwich
Kent VIEW
WALKER, Henry George Son Unmarried M 39 1822 ......age is 19 not 39
Surrey
Kent Road VIEW
WALKER, Mary Samuel Daughter Unmarried F 14 1847 Scholar...looks like Mary Louise not Mary Samuel
Blackheath
Kent VIEW
HAYMAN, Elizabeth Servant Unmarried F 28 1833 House Servant
Westminster VIEW

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Piece:
413 Folio:
39 Page:
1 Registration District:
Lewisham

Civil Parish:
Lewisham Municipal Borough:
Address:
Montpelier Vale, Lewisham County:
London, Kent


Nicky

1851...

Is this Mary?

WALKER, Elizabeth Head Widow F 30 1821 Milliner
Greenwich
Kent VIEW
WALKER, Mary Daughter F 4 1847
Charlton
Kent VIEW
WALKER, Hollis Son M 0 (7 MOS) 1851
Charlton
Kent VIEW
WATSON, Maria Assistant Unmarried F 16 1835 Milliners Assistant
France British Subject VIEW
CONNER, Ellen Servant Unmarried F 19 1832 Nurse Maid
Ireland VIEW
NEAL, Elizabeth Servant Unmarried F 28 1823 House Maid
Greenwich
Kent VIEW
HUTCHINSON, Mary A Visitor Unmarried F 28 1823 Milliner
Greenwich
Kent VIEW

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1590 Folio:
5 Page:
2 Registration District:
Lewisham

Civil Parish:
Charlton Municipal Borough:
Address:
7, Brunswick Place, Charlton County:
Kent




Nicky

Could this be Henrys mother Mary visiting the walker family in 1891?....you say Mary Brices maiden name was Walker...could this be your connection???


WALKER, William Head Married M 50 1841 Fireman
St George
London VIEW
WALKER, Mary Ann Wife Married F 40 1851
Kensington
London VIEW
TOWNSEND, Mary Visitor Single F 33 1858 Domestic Cook
Newport
Wales VIEW

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113 Page:
40 Registration District:
Fulham

Civil Parish:
Hammersmith Municipal Borough:
Address:
23, Southerton Road, Hammersmith County:




nicky

mary brice miller -Nee Walker b Charlton.Appointed Guardian to my
Grandfather Henry Townsend b 1889 Newport. (see 1901 Census sussex).
Her death recorded 1922 registered by her Brother Horace Walker GP

Info shown on Xavarian Brothers Records re Mayfield UK 1900 obtained
from University of Notre Dame Indiana. (All Xavarian Uk education records now held there.) Mary Brice Miller address shown as Queens Gate Gardens.
This Guardianship leaves me to believe that Henry was an Orphan but so far been unable to trace a death record for his father (my gt grandfather) also
a Henry born 1957 Puriton nr Bridgewater Somerset.

Caroline,
I do not understand what your most recent posting means.
You have already said that Mary Brice Miller was born a Walker from Charlton.
I have no specialised know ledge about voluntary Red Cross helpers, or VAD's and would google for further leads, which you should be capable of doing.
What information was on her death certificate? Have you looked to see if anyone on here has her in their trees?

Mary Brice Miller
nee Walker born Charlton

Previous thread on Henry Townsend - Caroline is his granddaughter

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards.page/board/ancestors/thread/1283499

Caroline,
Did you have all the information that we found, to help us confirm correct family?
Who is Henry Townsend - have you got his birth certificate?
Where do you connect with either Mary or Henry?

Mary Brice Miller death 3rd qt 1922.Voluntary helper ww1 VAD Red cross.
Guardian to Henry Townsend bCwmbran Mon 28/05 1889 .
Listed on Henrys boarding school admission sheet Xavarians Mayfield Kent
1900 . Listed on copy received from University of Notre Dame Indiana.
Who appointed her and why?Carol

Godfrey's marriage

Marriages Jun 1907
CHRISTOPHER Horace Alfred Kensington 1a 395
MILLER Godfrey Brice Kensington 1a 395 <<<
PREVOST Maria Teresa Kensington 1a 395
SPIEGEL Anna Maria M Kensington 1a 395

1881 i'd have thought. Lots of 'Brice' mentions if not

MILLER, Bruce Alan Head Married M 45 1836 South American Merchant
Middlesex VIEW
MILLER, Mary Louise Wife Married F 34 1847 South American Merchant Wife
Charlton
Kent VIEW
MILLER, Mary Bruce Daughter Single F 7 1874 Scholar
(British Subject) (Bs Oia)
Chile VIEW
MILLER, Beatrice Brice Daughter Single F 4 1877 Scholar
Chile VIEW
MILLER, Alan Brice Son Single M 2 1879
Chile VIEW
MILLER, Godfrey Brice Son Single M 0 1881
Kensington
Middlesex VIEW

KEANE, Sophia Servant Single F 20 1861 Governess
Galway
Ireland VIEW
SPANIER, George Servant Married M 38 1843 Butler
Essex VIEW
MATTHEWS, Eliza Servant Single F 34 1847 Cook
Cheltenham
Gloucestershire VIEW
KNIGHT, Rebecca Servant Single F 23 1858 Kitchen Maid
Lancashire VIEW
PARK, Eleanor Servant Single F 31 1850 House Maid
Portsea
Hampshire VIEW
NOCK, Annie Servant Single F 30 1851 Nurse
Hungerford
Berkshire VIEW
FIERRO, Tomaso Servant Single M 34 1847 Nurse
Valparaso (Usf)
Chile

What information have you already got on her - birth and marriage certificates?
Census information?

Added:
For reference:
1901 England Census
Mary S Brice Miller Age: 55 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1846 Relation: Head Gender: Female Where born: Charlton, Kent, England Civil parish: Kensington Ecclesiastical parish: St Stephen South Kensington County/Island: London Country: England
Street Address: 18 Queensgate Gardens
Occupation: living on own means
Condition as to marriage: widowed
Registration district: Kensington Sub-registration district: Kensington Town
ED, institution, or vessel: 1 Household schedule number: 40 Piece: 19 Folio: 10 Page Number: 12
Mary S Brice Miller 55
Beatrice Miller 24 dau Valparaiss Chite S, United States
Alan Miller 22 son Valparaiss Chite S, United States
Godfrey Miller 20 son St Stephen South Kensington
Davis E Miller 19 dau (DORIS ?) Valparaies Chite S, United States
Roland Miller 15 son Valparaies Chite S, United States
Louise A Rea 56
George King 37
Elizabeth William 33
Frederick B Dowle 19
Jane Craigen 38
Diana Fysh 26
Janet Gillespis MA??on 25
Source Citation: Class: RG13; Piece: 19; Folio: 10; Page: 12.

It does state Valpariso Chile South America

And a child for confirmation:
MILLER, Susan Margaret Daughter F 0 (9 MONTHS) 1911 London
MILLER, Mary Don Daughter F 4 1907 London
PAMNWELLE, Faith Harieth Servant Single F 20 1891 Lady's Maid Chelsea Housemaid France
MILLER, Catherine Lorna Wife Married 5 years F 25 1886 London
MILLER, Alan Brice Head Married 5 years M 32 1879 Coal Merchant Valparaiso Chile
KYLE, Elizabeth Servant Single F 21 1890 Children Nurse Appleby
EWART, Annie Twety Servant Single F 25 1886 Children Nurse Cockermouth

RG number: RG14 Piece: 121 Reference: RG14PN121 RG78PN4 RD2 SD1 ED34 SN233
Registration District: Kensington Sub District: Kensington South Enumeration District:
34 Parish: Kensington
Address: 7 Courtfield Road SW County: London

This coul be her death, though it does look like S in 1901 census
Deaths Sep 1922
Miller Mary L B 76 Uckfield 2b 141

Any info on life history please?