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Thanks Everyone
I have his marriage clarification to May and there is no middle name, nor on her death certificate.
I've accounted for them all through the census as well and have his birth certificate were there is no middle name listed.
On his daughter's birth and death certificate in 1901 there is also no middle name, though on his son Albert's marriage certificate he has the middle name of George. On Albert's birth certificate however there is no middle name.
The address don't match up but then the family seemed to have moved a bit anyway, none of the children are born at the same address, though the daughter born in 1901 was born in West Ham and so was the son born in 1907.
The job however does match up.
GypsyJoe
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Does the certificate show the expected occupation for Patrick?
....or an address that matches any family records?
Gwyn
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The only Patrick G. Foley births I can find were from the 1950's and 1960's, so much later than the marriage to May Eliza Ellis.
The only census I can find for a Patrick A. Foley is the 1891 census:-
1891 census transcription details for: 6, Upper East Smithfield, St Botolph Without Aldgate Or East Smithfield, London
National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG12
Piece: 283
Book: 20
Page: 2
Reg. District: Whitechapel
Sub District: Aldgate
Parish: St Botolph Without Aldgate or East Smithfield
Enum. District: 2
Ecclesiastical District: St Pauls Dock Street
City/Municipal Borough:
Address: 6, Upper East Smithfield, St Botolph Without Aldgate Or East Smithfield, London
County: London
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born
FORDER, William J Head Married M 42 1849 Carmans Foreman Soho London
FORDER, Mary A Wife Married F 48 1843 Acton Suffolk
FORDER, Walter Son Single M 18 1873 Wire Merchants Porter
Wapping London
FORDER, Frederick J Son M 15 1876 Van Boy Wapping London
FORDER, Charles H Son M 10 1881 Scholar Wapping London
FORDER, Frank G Son M 7 1884 Scholar Whitechapel London
CRESSWELL, Arthur G Stepson Single M 22 1869 Grocers Assistant Stanway Essex
CRESSWELL, Alice M Stepdaughter Single F 7 1884 Aldgate London
MILLS, Ellen E Visitor Single F 41 1850 Dressmaker Aston Suffolk
FOLEY, Patrick A Boarder Single M 22 1869 House Porter
Whitechapel London<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Kath. x
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This looks like the couple in 1911:-
1911 census transcription details for: 16 Moravian St Bethnal Green
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National Archive Reference:
RG14PN1402 RG78PN49 RD17 SD1 ED21 SN361
Reg. District: Bethnal Green
Sub District: Bethnal Green North East
Parish: Bethnal Green
Enum. District: 21
Address: 16 Moravian St Bethnal Green
County: London
Name Relation Condition/
Yrs married Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Where Born
FOLEY, Patrick Head Married
12 years M 41 1870 Ghrocers Warehouseman London Whitechapel
FOLEY, May Eliza Wife Married
12 years F 37 1874 London Bow
FOLEY, Winifred May Daughter F 11 1900 School London Bow
FOLEY, Stewart John Patrick Son M 3 1908 Upton Park Westham
FOLEY, Albert George Son M 2 1909 London Bethnal Green
5 children born to the marriage. 3 living in 1911 and 2 have died.
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This birth would seem to be the right one for Patrick but there is no middle name given:-
Name: FOLEY, Patrick
Registration district: Whitechapel
County: London
Year of registration: 1869
Quarter of registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
Mother's maiden name: Not available before 1911 Q3
Volume no: 1C
Page no: 379
Kath. x
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Is this the couple?
If so he had no middle name recorded.
I have one chap in my tree who suddenly decided to give himself a middle name when he married for the 3rd time at 68.
Marriages Mar 1899
Ellis May Eliza ..Whitechapel 1c 333
Foley Patrick .. Whitechapel 1c 333
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I've been searching for a missing child and so took the plunge and sent of for a certificate but with the parent's names as the cross ref since I actually don't know the name of the child or when it was born.
I have now received a certificate back but I have concerns, so any advice would be helpful please.
The parent's names are Patrick Foley and May Eliza nee Ellis.
On the certificate I got the father is Patrick Andrew Foley and May Eliza nee Ellis, but on all my other records that have Patrick's middle name it has George - including the monogrammed pocket he kept his bankbook in, which I have in my possession.
Could it be that there were two Patrick Foley's marrying two May Ellis's or is it more likely that he may have had a second middle name but didn't use it much?
Thanks
Gypsyjoe
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