Genealogy Chat

xavier


you asked at the very beginning, how could someone be on the census on one site and not on another site.


The answer is really very simple.


The census information on the different sites has been transcribed by different transcribers ........ each site has done their own. And each transcriber could have seen something very different from the others

GR uses the information from FMP

Ancestry did its own transcribing

........... and the 1901 and 1911 censuses were both transcribed by actions of the British government. then released to the public. The censuses were later released to the sites, who did their own transcribing ..... so you will find 3 possible variations.


When searching for names, always remember the wild cards .......... ? can be substituted for 1 letter, and * can be substituted for more than 1



so ................ if Bradford doesn't appear, try Br*dford


or even try *radford, just in case the B has been mis-read.



there are various other little tricks as well for finding people who are apparently not on the census.




sylvia

Long shot if she never married???
Name: BRADFORD, Daisy L
Registration district: Eastbourne County: Sussex
Year of registration: 1950 Quarter of registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
Age at death:58
Volume no: 5H Page no: 204

Possibly her in 1911. Daisy looks like John Thomas's sister Xavier with the bus conductor connection?

BUCK, William Thomas Head M 34 1877 Insurance Clerk London Mile End Old Town W
BUCK, Emily Louisa Wife Married3 years F 28 1883 London Lambeth
BUCK, Valerie Frances Eileen Daughter F 1 1910 Middlesex Wembley
BRADFORD, Daisy Servant Single F 18 1893 General Servant Domestic London Camberwell S E
DUBBINS, Emily Visitor Mother In Law Married F 53 1858 Surrey Wandsworth
RG number: RG14 Piece: 7091 Reference: RG14PN7091 RG78PN347 RD130 SD1 ED24 SN94
Registration District: Hendon Sub District: Harrow
Enumeration District: 24
Parish: Wembley
Address: Malahide Harrowdene Road Wembley County: Middlesex

allotment.....special thanks......

Not another abandoned child surely!?

This is Daisy in 1901.
BRADFORD, Daisy Lizzie Scholar F 8 1893 Camberwell, London
Piece:370 Folio:99 Page: 2
Registration District: St Saviour Southwark
Civil Parish: St George the Martyr Southwark
Address: The Orphans Home, Austral Street.
St George The Martyr Southwark
County: London

Name: Daisy Bradford
Record Type: Baptism
Birth Date: 21 Apr 1892
Baptism Date: 10 Jul 1898
Father's Name: John Bradford a bus conductor
Mother's name: Emma Bradford
Parish or Poor Law Union: Finsbury St Barnabas
Borough: Islington
Register Type: Parish Registers

Many thanks one and all again.........Silversmith sounds very grand............!!?

Would love this to be the right family (Long lost great grandad and grandparents) but...always a but isn't there........

Just a few years later in 1914 John BRADFORD b1856 was being supported by Bedford Poor Law Union ....along with his 'wife' and three children under 4 (One of them my father).....who they abandoned in 1918 and promptly vanish from available records never to be heard of again.....!

Would have thought a silversmiths salary might have kept them all afloat but who knows........

Name: John Thomas Bradford [silversmith]
Age: 26
Birth Year: abt 1880
Spouse Name: Amy Pyke
Spouse Age: 24
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 24 Jun 1906
Parish: Kensal Green St John the Evangelist
Borough: Westminster
Father Name: John Bradford [Omnibus Conductor]
Spouse Father Name: Frank Pyke
Register Type: Parish Register

And 1911 as a silversmith still?
BRADFORD, John Head Married M 31 1880 Silversmith Maker London Islington
BRADFORD, Amy Wife Married4 years F 27 1884 London Paddington
BRADFORD, Cyril Son M 2 1909 Middlesex Willesden
RG number: RG14 Piece: 7043 Reference: RG14PN7043 RG78PN346B RD129 SD1 ED63 SN320
Registration District: Willesden Sub District: Willesden
Enumeration District: 63
Parish: Willesden
Address: 11 Brenthurst Road Willesden County: Middlesex

Cyril was the only child born at this time.

1901

CLARKE, Arthur Head Married M 35 1866 Navvy Builders Stoke by Clare, Suffolk
CLARKE, Lizzie J Wife Married F 28 1873 Islington, London
CLARKE, Thomas Son Single M 6 1895 Homerton, London
CLARKE, May Daughter Single F 5 1896 Poplar, London
CLARKE, Daisy Daughter Single F 2 1899 Homerton, London
>>BRADFORD, John T Boarder Single M 21 1880 Silversmith Islington, London
Piece: 229 Folio: 172 Page: 38
Registration District: Hackney
Civil Parish: Hackney
Address: 71, Swinnerton Street, Hackney County: London

Name: John Thomas Bradford
Record Type: Baptism
Birth Date: 5 Mar 1880 Baptism Date: 11 Apr 1880
Father's Name: John Bradford Mother's name: Emma Bradford
Parish or Poor Law Union: Islington St Mary Borough: Islington
Register Type: Parish Registers
Does that put John junior in Hackney in 1901??

Name: John Bradford
Age: Full Age
Spouse Name: Emma Rogers
Record Type: Marriage Event Date: 4 Aug 1879
Parish: Islington St Mary Borough: Islington
Father Name: John Bradford Spouse Father Name: Thomas Rogers
Register Type: Parish Register

(think Vera looked at them on your other 'Thread')...

Chris :)

Doesn't it get sad searching sometimes :-(

I traced John Bradford b1856 through to the 1891 census living in Islington with his wife Emma, son John (Recorded as 4 years old when he was actually 11), and daughter Clara aged 8.

When I searched the 1901 census I couldn't find them again........

So I searched death records and found poor Emma his wife died Islington 1898 aged 37, and then his daughter Clara died Islington 1900 aged 17.........

Still searching for what happened to John and his son........

(both Streets long gone now!, same area though)

Chris :)

Once more GR members do the trick...! Many thanks for all the new leads....

Chris Ho....correct baptism I think thanks, father and mothers name correct but address on birth certificate is Doric Street not Gothic Street.....simple error perhaps...?

All I have to do now is decide which John BRADFORD in the 1881 census is the right one as none of them are quite right with the birth date...........!

Day:26 (Baptism)
Month:Sep
Year:1858
Forenames:John
Surname:BRADFORD
Relationship:of
Father forenames:John
Fathers occupation:gardener
Mother forenames:Mary
Birth Day:
Birth Month:
Birth Year:
Abode:of Gothic Street
Place:Cambridge, St Paul
County:Cambridgeshire,England
Data provider:Cambridgeshire Family History Society

Chris :)

1871 England Census
about John Bradford
Name: John Bradford
Age: 14
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1857
Relation: Boarder
Gender: Male
Where born: Cambridge, Cambridgeshire, England
Civil parish: St Andrew the Less
Ecclesiastical parish: St Paul
Town: Cambridge
County/Island: Cambridgeshire
Country: England
Registration district: Cambridge
Sub-registration district: St Andrew the Less
ED, institution, or vessel: 17
Household schedule number: 56
Piece: 1587
Folio: 124
Page Number: 9
Household Members: Name Age
George Newell 59
Charlotte Newell 56
William Newell 14
Elizabeth Newell 5
John Bradford 14


Andy

Could this be your John?

Name: John Bradford
Age: 14
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1857
Relation: Boarder
Gender: Male
Where born: Cambridge, Cambridgeshire, England
Civil parish: St Andrew the Less
Ecclesiastical parish: St Paul
Town: Cambridge
County/Island: Cambridgeshire
Country: England
Registration district: Cambridge
Sub-registration district: St Andrew the Less
ED, institution, or vessel: 17
Household schedule number: 56
Piece: 1587
Folio: 124
Page Number: 9
Household Members:
Name Age
George Newell 59
Charlotte Newell 56
William Newell 14
Elizabeth Newell 5
John Bradford 14


Gai :-)

Try John Boardford as he appears as that on fmp?? and on GR.