Genealogy Chat

Talking of that generation.. RIP Max Bygraves..

Bless him x

Didn't like Stan all that much when he was in B & W minstrels before you were born. But met him last year pushing his shopping out of Morrisons in a Cardiff suburb.

I said someting cormy like "I recognise you, you're Stan Stennett". "I am, Well, I was when I left home". He then chatted to me for about 10 minutes and he was so nice. Still working and still really enjoing life. Asked him how old he was, and he said he couldn't remember. Went home and wikkied him and he was 84. So will be 86 now. He was fantastic. So humble and so natural. A real Welsh asset.

And I became a fan that day :-D :-D

Oh you're going beyond the call of duty sir!

And Stan? Really?

'I'm far too young'

Xx

Lizzie Got my letter from Mair of Groeswen (Capel y Groeswen sef 1742) this morning. Hoping it was going to be fat and it was extremely thin. Inside this big envelope was a lovely letter from Mair (enclosing "book" as promised). And no book.

Thieving ****ds at the Post Office. Big market in Welsh chapel records perhaps. Seriously, will go down sorting office on Monday in the hope they have loose Welsh language chapel records hanging around somewhere. If not, hopefully I can persuade Mair to repeat the photocopying.

How I wish I wasn't working - as she is only in Rhiwbina. Rhiwbina - the home of the greatest living Welshman, Stan Stennett. :-D :-D

Thanks Shirley,

That's Pocketts with a P though..

I knew that info already though from searches I've already done, but thanks for your interest xx

looks like Elizabeth Pocketts the witness could be her mum

1901 Wales Census about Wm Rocketts
Name: Wm Rocketts
[Wm Pocketts]
Age in 1901: 49
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1852
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Elizabeth Rocketts
Gender: Male
Where born: Neath, Glamorgan, Wales
Civil parish: Pontypridd
Ecclesiastical parish: Glyn Taf
Town: Treforus
County/Island: Glamorgan
Country: Wales
Street Address: 1 Glynstaff Street
Condition as to marriage: View image
Education: View image
Employment status: View image
Occupation: ??? quarryman working own account
Registration district: Pontypridd
Sub-registration district: Eglwysilan
ED, institution, or vessel: 15
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 198
Piece: 4999
Folio: 21
Page Number: 33
Household Members:
Name Age
Wm Rocketts 49
Elizabeth Rocketts 51b LONDON
Alice Ann Rocketts 22
Thomas James Rocketts 16
Thomas Roberts 68 boarder

Source Citation: Class: RG13; Piece: 4999; Folio: 21; Page: 33

Lizzie Church? Denomination? Banns/License? Addresses?

No, doubt you will pocket much cash :-D :-D

Still waiting for that lady to send me Groeswen chapel records. Must follow up if it doesn't come tomorrow.

Bingo! It came this morning..

Not sure what we have learnt from it?

It says Emily Ada Pocketts (20) married Benjamin Joseph Wicks (21) on March 23rd 1895 in Glyntaff, Glamorgan

Her Father's name was William Pocketts
His Father's name was Mark Wicks

The witnesses were Elizabeth Jane Pocketts (sister?) and Arthur James Stroud

All the men were 'Paving Cutters' ...not much inheritance in that family ha!

Thought you had got it this morning :-(

Never mind, it will come soon. Bank Holiday would not have helped. You should have asked Fraz** & F**zer to get it for you (off Heirhunters). They would have raced down from Brum to Ponty, pinned the registry office staff to the wall till they had produced said cert.

Perhaps you could try that for next cert - particularly if a large inheritance is in the offing. :-D :-D

Wondering how long it takes for certificates to arrive! They have taken my money but still no certificate... been 8 days now

Not sure why it has strayed, Lizzie. I think it is the fault of everyone else except me :-D

Idle chatter whilst we wait with baited breath for the cert to arrive. Entirely up to you whether you share contents. But hope you can.

Farthings - I never remember them being legal tender when I was a boy, but they must have been - yes, about 1960 when they finally ceased to be legal tender. Hung on long after their usefulness - like many of the threads on here.

;-)

How has my thread turned into a conversation about old money lol :-P

DetEcTive is right re Scottish certs - if I want a certified paper copy, it costs 12 GBP. This is true whatever the initial date of the record. Scanned images are generally available for older BMDs, where older means at least 100/75/50 y. A scan will be done for a newer extract, and placed on the cert, just like the GRO does.

Ireland also has a cheaper rate for uncertified copies of the register - 6 Euros instead of 10 for a certified copy. I think they're all scans on paper, but don't know. See http://www.groireland.ie/

John's not technically right re farthings - they were still minted into the later 1950s and legal tender thru 1960, but they were rare as hens' teeth by 1953.
Around 1950, I think the only use for a farthing was if you bought a loaf of bread. I'm making these figures up, but a loaf cost 1/3, but there was a govt subsidy of 3 1/4 d, so the over-the-counter cost was 11 3/4d. Nobody had any farthings, so half the time you were owing the shopkeeper a farthing from yesterday (or vice versa). (There might have been a subsidy on spuds, but he could always sell 2 lbs, so I don't recall for sure.)

Incidentally, in the 1950s, the mint was one of the few nationalized industries that made money - ha, ha! Actually, they were profitable, most due to foreign contracts - it wouldn't surprise me if it cost a halfpenny to mint a farthing.

Confused... Me? Ha!

And don't want to burst your bubble John, but I'm not a Rhondda girl - I live in Bristol!

Some one will correct if wrong, but I believe that the cheaper price for Scottish certificates applies if the image can be downloaded.

Although there was a project to scan all the images for the English/Welsh ones, it was abandoned sometime ago due to the costs involved.

One of the FH type programmes had a snippet about GRO. They have to retrieve the relevant film from storage, find the correct image, then print it out.

My grandma used to have a tiny little silver coin in her purse. It was about 1953 and was just after the days of farthings - one quarter of an old penny. A mite was an eighth of an old penny. She also had a half groat - which was worth two old pence.

Reason she kept them was the idea you were never poor if you had a couple of coins in your purse.

Hope I've not confused Lizzie. She is a Rhondda girl, so I very much doubt I have :-D

I am confused why we have to pay £9.25 for same thing in Scotland at £1.40. I do remember a time when I used to get a cousin in Melbourne to order my certs there and post them to Wales - and it was cheaper to do that than walk down to the local registry office. :-)

Sheesh John (and mgnv!). Are you trying to confuse lizzie even more? She would only have been about 5 or 6 on Decimal Day 15 Feb 1971! ;-)

25/- or 25 shillings 0 pence= £1 5s 0d in old money

As a straight convertion to decimal money
£1-25

It used to be
12d = 1/-
20/- = £1

A guinea was £1 - 1 - 0d but there wasn't a coin in use to that value - or at least not in my lifetime.

So 25/- is about a seventeenth of 25 guineas - depends what you mean by about, I suppose. All the more reason for decimalization, I think.

25/- is about a seventeenth of 25 guineas. And was worth 10 half crowns or 12 florins plus a bob. It was so much easier before decimalisation (when you were little more than a toddler). First we had to think in tens and hundreds, then we had to think binary when computers arrived. Too much for us oldies. Let's go back to 12's and 20's, 14's and 16's. And furlongs and firkins, and ounces and stones that were not animals and things animals sat on.

I am nearly as excited as you, Lizzie. But it does look as if Emily Ada POCKETT's dad was William, and that is what marriage cert will say.

But you never know :-)

Thanks for all your hard work in this guys, I have just paid £9.25 for the marriage certificate (I'm not sure what 25/- is, I'm 46 not 76!) so lets wait and see what turns up...

Exciting!