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Elaine
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23 Jun 2014 22:07 |
Hi,
Can anyone tell me if there is a way of finding details on a marriage record without having to buy one.
I'm trying to locate the parent of the husband and wondered if I could get this without the marriage certificate.
Thanks.
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Graham
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23 Jun 2014 22:16 |
You can look at the GRO index free on freeBMD. Some parish marriage records are free to view online.
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jax
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23 Jun 2014 22:52 |
Welcome to the boards Elaine
Is this a recent marriage?
If not, if you care to give some details we maybe able to help you
The fathers name will only be mentioned if known or in some cases invented
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ErikaH
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23 Jun 2014 23:18 |
For which country......and when?
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Cynthia
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24 Jun 2014 13:02 |
I'll let Elaine knows that she has reply to her query. :-)
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Elaine
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24 Jun 2014 20:37 |
Hi,
Thanks for replying.
In answer to all queries.
The marriage is from1908 in Crawcrook, which was classed as Durham back then.
The name of the person is Thomas Noble born approx 1867. The marriage I have was to Annie Glaister.
The issue I have is there is a family who's head is blackbird noble. I don't think this is the line I am looking for and that was what I was trying to prove or rule out.
On another note. What do you do when the person you are looking for does not seem to exist before the marriage. The person in question is my great grandfather, he was born in about 1920 so to young for census. any suggestions for this one will be very much appreciated.
Thank you again.
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Elaine
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24 Jun 2014 20:43 |
I forgot to mention. The marriage to Annie was his 2nd one as the first one died we think.
Don't know if this make a difference or not.
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24 Jun 2014 21:13 |
Name: Thomas Noble Gender: Male Christening Date: 25 Sep 1867 Christening Place: WHICKHAM,DURHAM,ENGLAND Birth Date: null Birthplace: null Death Date: null Name Note: null Race: null Father's Name: Blackbird Noble Father's Birthplace: null Father's Age: null Mother's Name: Elizabeth Mother's Birthplace: null Mother's Age: null Indexing Project (Batch) Number: D19770-1 System Origin: England-ODM GS Film number: unknown Reference ID: null
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safc
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24 Jun 2014 21:16 |
1871 Census 5 Records found Piece: RG10/5064 Place: Gateshead -Co. Durham Enumeration District: 6 Civil Parish: Whickham Ecclesiastical Parish: Whickham Folio: 36 Page: 21 Schedule: 100 Address: Dunston
Surname First name(s) Rel Status Sex Age Occupation Where Born Remarks NOBLE Blackbird Head M M 33 Waterman Co. Durham - Dunston NOBLE Elizabeth Wife M F 35 Northumberland - Corbridge NOBLE Matthew Son - M 9 Scholar Co. Durham - Dunston NOBLE Thomas Son - M 4 Scholar Co. Durham - Dunston NOBLE Blackbird Son - M 1 Co. Durham - Dunston
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24 Jun 2014 21:29 |
Name: Blackbird Noble Gender: Male Christening Date: 30 Jun 1837 Christening Place: WHICKHAM,DURHAM,ENGLAND Birth Date: null Birthplace: null Death Date: null Name Note: null Race: null Father's Name: Thomas Noble Father's Birthplace: null Father's Age: null Mother's Name: Elizabeth Mother's Birthplace: null Mother's Age: null Indexing Project (Batch) Number: P00208-1 System Origin: England-ODM GS Film number: 91143, 91144 Reference ID: null
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safc
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24 Jun 2014 21:30 |
Marriages Sep 1907 (>99%) GLAISTER Annie Gateshead 10a 1702 HOWD Ann Gateshead 10a 1702 LAWSON Alphonsus Gateshead 10a 1702 NOBLE Thomas Gateshead 10a 1702
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mgnv
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25 Jun 2014 10:02 |
Go to: https://familysearch.org/search/collection/list#page=1®ion=UNITED_KINGDOM_IRELAND If you browse down the following link: England, Durham Diocese B...'s Transcripts, 1639-1919 > Durham > Whickham > 1835-1853 > Image 32 of 357 you'll see the image for the record safc posted at 21:29 - well, almost. Safc's post is an extract from the parish register - this image is from the Bishop's transcripts (which were the church's own back-up copies). [I am also descended from a family of keel boatmen - in my case, they operated from the Ouseburn, 1km below the Tyne bridge, rather than Dunston, 2km above the bridge.]
One generally cannot see the GRO records for free - the only free info is from the GRO index (and the local index, when this is available, e.g., via: http://www.ukbmd.org.uk/local_bmd in particular, here: http://www.northeastbmd.org.uk/ NB - the local index doesn't always have the same info as the GRO index - of course the refs differ, but there's info in the local ref). However, for CofE marrs, the GRO only has a copy of the church's official register. Completed original church rego's are usually deposited in some archive - typically the county records office. Some of these rego's have been imaged and sometimes transcribed, and these are often online. GR/FMP have some from Co Durham. The Durham BTs I referred to above usually don't have marrs post-1837 online, but they might be transcribed by FS at: https://familysearch.org/search/collection/1473015
Births Dec 1862 (>99%) Noble Matthew Gateshead 10a 584
Births Sep 1867 (>99%) Noble Thomas Gateshead 10a 702
Births Jun 1870 (>99%) Noble Blackbird Gateshead 10a 800
If I click on the "Gateshead" link, then the more info "here" link, I get: GATESHEAD REGISTRATION DISTRICT Registration County : Durham. Created : 1.7.1837. Sub-districts : Gateshead, Gateshead First, Gateshead Second, Heworth, Whickham, Winlaton. GRO volumes : XXIV (1837–51), 10a (1852–1946), 1A (1946–74). Registers now held by : Gateshead.
followed by the villages, etc in Gateshead RD, and how boundary changes affected them.
Marriages Jun 1862 (>99%) Bell Elizabeth Newcastle T 10b 90 Cairns Margaret Newcastle T 10b 90 Noble Blackbird Newcastle T. 10b 90 Wilkinson John Newcastle T 10b 90
Here's a local search at Gateshead: MATTHEW NOBLE Born: Q4 1862 Register: WHK9\341
Thomas NOBLE Born: Q3 1867 Register: WHK12\18
Blackbird NOBLE Born: Q2 1870 Register: WHK13\251
Now a local index has to say which subdistrict they were rego'ed in, as well as what rego they appear in, so we may guess that WHK is Whickham (and they're in Whickham rego # 9/12/13). the last item in a local ref is an entry or page #. Here it's an entry # as there were 500 entries in a local rego, but only 100 pages (250 pages for marrs). Marrs nearly always use entry #s, so one can match who wed whom.
Here's a N/c look up: 1862 NOBLE Blackbird 1862 BELL Elizabeth Marriage venue - St John the Baptist Register No./Entry No. EJD22/284
It's often tricky to guess which church a code like EJD stood for, but here they translate it for you. Codes with RO in them are usually the registrar's own register for rego office marrs, and non-conformist churches that weren't authorized to keep an official rego. This would be almost all non-conformists, pre-1898, but RCs weren't authorized until (I think) the 1980s. Jews were authorized, and usually have a church code beginning with J or S, and Quakers, whose code usually began with Q or F.
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Elaine
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25 Jun 2014 19:18 |
Thanks you two. Lot's to look at. Mind blowing.
No doubt I'll be asking more questions. :-)
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Elaine
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25 Jun 2014 19:18 |
Thanks you two. Lot's to look at. Mind blowing.
No doubt I'll be asking more questions. :-)
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Potty
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26 Jun 2014 12:06 |
The 1911 for the Thomas who married Annie:
1911 England Census Thomas Noble Age in 1911:44 Estimated birth year:abt 1867 Relation to Head:Head Birth Place:Whickham, Durham, England Civil Parish:Crawcrook County/Island:Durham Country:England Street address:3 Broomfield Terrace Crawcrook Ryton On Tyne Marital Status:Married Occupation:Colliery Fireman Registration district:Gateshead Registration District Number:557 Sub-registration district:Winlaton ED, institution, or vessel:27
Thomas Noble 44 Annie Elizabeth Noble 32 Robert Thomas Noble 13 Annie Elizabeth Georgina Noble 12 - Glaister on image William Noble 7 Hannah Lilian Noble 1 Stanley Noble 5/12
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Potty
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26 Jun 2014 13:28 |
I can't find the above Thomas in 1901. I think the only way you will find out his father is by buying the marriage cert.
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Elaine
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26 Jun 2014 19:34 |
Thanks. The above info appears to be the right family. I think I agree with you.
Thank you for finding this.
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Elaine
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28 Jun 2014 20:11 |
Is there anywhere that I can find out what a person died of.
I know that a couple of family members died young. The male I think will have been down the mines as alot of my family were from mining villages, both here and cumbria.
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Graham
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28 Jun 2014 20:23 |
I think you'll need to get the death certificates for that.
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Elaine
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4 Jul 2014 21:27 |
Is there a way I can get a list or view a list of miners who worked in specific pits? :-)
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