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Please could someone find copies of the ships' passenger lists for the following sailings:

31st January 1930 Southampton Buenos Aires Arlanza
10th April 1934 Buenos Aires Southampton Arlanza
31st August 1935 London Buenos Aires Highland Brigade
10th March 1938 La Plata London Highland Monarch

Most importantly I'd like copies of the page(s) showing Florence Weston (abt 1894) but ideally I'd like the complete passenger list so that I can check for other names which might be relevant (I have a single page for the 1934 sailing which places my father on the same boat ...).

It's possible that Florence was a resident of Argentina, in which case I'd expect to be able to find a sailing for her from the Argentine to the UK prior to 1930 but I have so far failed to do so. Similarly it might be that she returned to the Argentine after 1938, again I have failed to find such a sailing. Any help anyone can offer would be much appreciated.

Keith

Hello Keith - do you have another thread somewhere about Florence as her name plus Argentina rings a bell!
OK - it was a series of PMs in connection with your father Arthur William Parr as well as Florence and an Edith Chapman

Passenger lists usually consist of many pages making it rather unrealistic for someone to download and forward the whole file.

A couple of suggestions
- Take advantage of Ancestry's free 14 day trial, but remember to ring them and cancel a few days before the trial ends. If you don't they'll charge your credit card.
- Ask at your library to see if they have a Library sub to Ancestry. You can then book a computer and access it for free

Ken ......
she was on the 1934 sailing



UK, Incoming Passenger Lists, 1878-1960 about Florence Weston

Name: Florence Weston
Birth Date: abt 1894
Age: 40
Port of Departure: Buenos Aires, Argentina
Arrival Date: 10 Apr 1934
Port of Arrival: Southampton, England
Ports of Voyage: Buenos Aires
[Montevideo]
[Santos]
[Rio de Janeiro]
Ship Name: Arlanza
Search Ship Database: View the 'Arlanza' in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database
Shipping line: Royal Mail Lines Ltd
Official Number: 132021

from the image:-

proposed address in the UK:- 112 Severnake Road, Hampstead, E.3
no occupation
Country of last permanent residence:- Argentina




But as DET says, it is an impossible task to ask anyone to send you all the passenger lists .................



I second her suggestions that you either visit your library or take out a 2 week free trial.

Many thanks, my apologies for making an unreasonable request.

Yes, DET that was my earlier thread, as the focus of this request was different I thought it best to start a new one, would it have been better to re-awaken the old thread?

I live in France so the local library option is probably not a goer .

I'll have a look at the Ancestry option. Is their collection of sailing records much better than the one on GR?

Keith

Although I can access (for a few weeks more) the passenger lists on GR, the only ones shown using Argentina as a key word are. YOB 1894 +/- 5

FLORENCE WESTON
Passenger Lists leaving UK 1890-1960
Collections from
Australasia, Great Britain, Ireland, United States
Country ARGENTINA
Ship Name ARLANZA
Birth Year 1894
Age 36
Ship Departure Port SOUTHAMPTON
Destination Port BUENOS AIRES
Departure Year 1930

FLORENCE WESTON
Passenger Lists leaving UK 1890-1960
Collections from Australasia, Great Britain, Ireland, United States
Country ARGENTINA
Title MISS
Ship Name HIGHLAND BRIGADE
Birth Year 1891
Age 44
Ship Departure Port LONDON
Destination Port BUENOS AIRES
Departure year 1935

Removing the key word gives 40 results. In this instance, Ancestry is probably better. TBH, I prefer the lay out for the results as it's easier to choose the ones to view in their entirety. Having said that, you might need to have a full WW membership on there to view all the passenger list databases.
No one site has everything - you'd probably find that if they can afford it GR members would subscribe to Ancestry and either Findmypast or GR for research. Findmypast is a sister site to GR which GR accesses when you search through this portal.

Hi Keith

There is also this one


UK, Outward Passenger Lists, 1890-1960


Name:Florence Weston

Gender:Female

Age:36

Birth Date:abt 1894

Departure Date:31 Jan 1930

Port of Departure:Southampton, England

Destination Port:Buenos Aires, Argentina

Ship Name:Arlanza

Shipping line:Royal Mail Steam Packet Co

Official Number:132021

Master:E Clarke

Address: 112 Savernake Rd NW 3

Gins - was that from GR or Ancestry?

If I remember correctly, Keith believes that there was some sort of relationship between his Parr family and Florence Weston. We were trying to find passenger lists where they were both listed.

Presumably Keith wants the opportunity to pour through the passengers lists in case one of the names has been mistranscribed...hence his request.

Original thread
http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/genealogy_chat/thread/1336002

A number of the Florence Weston entries have been posted on there - Would it have been better to return to that thread? Possibly as no one wants to duplicate previous searches. Admittedly on this one, Keith hasn't asked on here for that - he requested someone to send him the complete passenger lists so that he can look himself.

If your local French library doesn't have access to Ancestry, then probably the 14 day trial is your best option.

Det

It was from Ancestry

Thanks again!

And you've opened my eyes to another little quirk of GR, its relationship to findmypast, I hadn't realised that they were linked as you say. Duh!

DET: this seems odd, when I search GR for Florence Weston, 1894 +/- 5 key=argentina, I get zero results - yet you get two, do you have some sort of privileged access? Removing the keyword I get 10 results, NONE of which are for "my" Florence going to the Argentine.

Meanwhile fmp gives 29 results without a keyword and two with, matching your results on GR. My head hurts! Time for bed, said Zebedee ...

Keith

To follow up a little ...

I've now found one of the relevant sailings (Highland Loch 1925) thanks to fmp. Turns out that my father's birth year was - for whatever reason - ten years out, 1905 instead of 1895, so no wonder my searches didn't find him.

Which suggests that I may need to make some very broad searches for Florence!

Also, I've just noticed that the "smile" label I attached to my question to DET about privileged access (which was meant as a joke) didn't make it through the GR filters, I forgot that GR filters out things in pointy brackets.

Keith

Good to hear that you've managed to find what you wanted Keith.

Don't worry about the 'privilege' quip. I realised it was meant as a joke even without the smiley face ;-)
GR do provide emoticons immediately underneath the 'Add your Reply' box. When they first appeared some people couldn't see them because they didn't have their 'compatibility' on, or it could have been off. It's quite a while ago!

The UK address for the 1935 sailing was
Lake View, Bisley, Surrey

She travelled first class, and intended to make Argentina her permanent home.

Obviously well-to-do

ALL results for Arthur Parr travelling to Argentina

name First name Born Died Event Category Location View
PARR ARTHUR 1905 — 1925 Passenger lists Buenos Aires, Argentina
Transcription
(purchased)
Image
PARR ARTHUR 1895 — 1928 Passenger lists Buenos Aires, Argentina
Transcription
Image
PARR ARTHUR 1895 — 1939 Passenger lists Buenos Aires, Argentina
Transcription
Image
PARR ARTHUR WILLIAM 1896 — 1945 Passenger lists Buenos Aires, Argentina
Transcription
Image
PARR A W — — 1920 Passenger lists Buenos Aires, Argentina

First name(s) ARTHUR WILLIAM
Last name PARR
Gender Male
Age 49
Birth year 1896
Marital status M
Occupation ACCOUNTANT
Departure year 1945
Departure day 0
Departure month 5
Departure port LONDON
Destination port BUENOS AIRES
Destination BUENOS AIRES
Country ARGENTINA
Destination country ARGENTINA
Ship name DESEADO
Ship official number 168341
Ship master's first name F W
Ship master's last name HARVEY
Shipping line ROYAL MAIL LINES LIMITED
City LONDON
Ship destination port BUENOS AIRES
Ship destination country ARGENTINA
Ship registered tonnage 5772.77
Number of passengers 12
Record set Passenger Lists leaving UK 1890-1960
Category Travel & migration
Record collection Passenger lists
Collections from Australasia, Great Britain, Ireland, United States
Transcriptions © brightsolid online publishing ltd

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State First name(s) Last name Title
- HILDA MARY PARR -

Hi Jacqueline

Thank you for doing this research for me, was this on Ancestry?

I wonder how I can find out about Lake View, Bisley, Surrey in 1935? If google is to be believed it's a retirement home now!

It might be important to differentiate between "intended to make Argentina her permanent home" and a statement that Argentina was her permanent home.

As far as I know, the other address she used was some sort of transit address, rooms for rent or similar.

Thank you again,

Keith

I can't figure out where you thought you found a record of Parr travelling in 1934

Parr travelling in 1934 was BA -> UK, the records you found are all UK outward bound I believe.

sailed BA -> Southampton 1934
Birth Date:
abt 1895

Age:
39
Port of Departure:
Buenos Aires, Argentina
Arrival Date:
10 Apr 1934
Port of Arrival:
Southampton, England

Ports of Voyage:
Buenos Aires
[Montevideo]
[Santos]
[Rio de Janeiro]

Ship Name:
Arlanza
Shipping Line:
Royal Mail Lines Ltd
Official Number:
132021

Re the 1934 arrival in the UK ...........


from the image:-

travelling 2nd class

Proposed address in UK:- 4 Moorgate, London

and he is down as Employee

Thanks Sylvia, 4 Moorgate was the address of his employer.

May I ask where you found the image? I've only been able to find images of UK outgoings here and on fmp.