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Have a puzzle here. In the Genes Reunited search area, I came up with two possible women married to my GGgrandfather, that is a Mary Ann Price & a
Mary Ann Lloyd, to John Griffiths.

1. Mary Ann Lloyd: Image 3, Vol. 11b, Page 409, Line Nbr 38 - 1863
2. Mary Ann Price: Image 3, Vol. 11b, Page 409, Line Nbr 07 - 1863

Although the line nbrs are different, could they in fact be the same woman?,
(e.g. previous marriage ). I would great appreciate any opinion re the above.

Regards,
Mike Griffiths, Dundas, NSW Australia

freebmd

Marriages Sep 1863 (>99%)
CARTWRIGHT Thomas Holywell 11b 409
DAVIES Maria Holywell 11b 409
Griffiths John Holywell 11b 409
LLOYD Mary Anne Holywell 11b 409

Find my past version
First name(s) JOHN
Last name GRIFFITHS
Marriage quarter 3
Marriage year 1863
Registration month -
MarriageFinder™ JOHN GRIFFITHS married one of these people
MARY ANNE LLOYD, MARIA DAVIES
Spouse's last name -
District HOLYWELL


District number -
County Flintshire
Country Wales
Volume 11B
Page 409
Record set England & Wales marriages 1837-2008
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Record collection Marriages & divorces



Where does Mary Ann Price fit in?

GR takes its records from findmypast (FMP) ..........................

as Jax has shown the record on the free site www,freebmd.org.uk is the same as the one on FMP

ie,

Marriages Sep 1863 (>99%)
CARTWRIGHT Thomas Holywell 11b 409
DAVIES Maria Holywell 11b 409
Griffiths John Holywell 11b 409
LLOYD Mary Anne Holywell 11b 409



there is no Mary Ann Price showing


It is the same on ancestry



I would suggest therefore that this is a mistake of GR





NOTE:-----


most of us use the free site


www.freebmd.org.uk

for all our births marriages and deaths from July 1 1837 to about 1965/70

There's a local index available for Holywell, which indexes by entry #, not page #, so it does resolve who wed whom pre-1912, & even post 1912 if al the women are caled Jones and all the men are called Griffiths.

http://www.northwalesbmd.org.uk/
North Wales Marriage indexes for the years: 1863
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
CARTWRIGHT Thomas DAVIES Maria Holywell, Civil Marriage Flintshire (Mold) HOL/05/E150
GRIFFITHS John LLOYD Mary A Holywell, Civil Marriage Flintshire (Mold) HOL/05/E151

mgnv ...................

and there is no Mary Ann Price showing on that site?


so it is a GR glitch?

Sylvia, right - I went to FreeBMD & and listed all of them for that quarter. I then clicked on one's spectacles, and compared FreeMD's Mary Ann's with those listed in the imaged original, and FreeBMD didn't miss any out from the original.




These are FreeBMD's only incompletely transcribed quarters pre-1962q4

Births Sep 1940 (26%) **************
Births Dec 1943 (19%) **************
Births Dec 1958 (34%) **************
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Marriages Dec 1952 (1%) *******************
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To all who have been so kind as to research and offer advice on my query.....huge thanks.
Although, I have been looking at my family tree for some years after my father, I am at a loss when navigating around Genesreunited and still remain a novice in the searching.

Once again, my thanks
Mike Griffiths, Dundas, NSW Australia

As has already been mentioned, most of us don't use GR for research.

The main sites we use are www.freebmd.org.uk, www.ancestry.co.uk, familysearch.org, and www.findmypast.co.uk

And others, but those are the main ones for general research.

But saying that Argyllgran Genes records should be the same as Fmp as that's where they got them from

I let Mike know how to find his replies and he has sent me a copy of a birth certificate for :

Robert Griffiths born 25.3.1863

Parents: John Griffiths and Mary Griffiths (formerly Price)
Address: 2 Chapel Terrace, Cranmer Street, Liverpool.

Father John is a general labourer.

Robert was born in March 1863. The marriage being looked at is from September 1863. Is it not just possible that Robert's mother is not the same Mary who John married later in the year?
It looks quite clear that John did not marry a Mary Price in 1863.

Is this the family in 1871?

Name: John Griffiths
Age: 26
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1845
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Mary A Griffiths
Gender: Male
Where born: Denbigh, Wales
Civil Parish: Liverpool
Ecclesiastical parish: St James the Less
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Registration district: Liverpool
Sub-registration district: St Martin
ED, institution, or vessel: 42
Household schedule number: 95
Piece: 3762
Folio: 106
Page Number: 15
John Griffiths 26
Mary A Griffiths 26
Robert Griffiths 8
Joseph Griffiths 6
Ann Griffiths 3
William Griffiths 1 Year, 3 Months
Jane Francis 24 <<<<<<< SISTER IN LAW

Marriages Jun 1859 (>99%)

Drew Fortune Rhayader 11b 350 Scan available - click to view
Griffiths John Rhayader 11b 350 Scan available - click to view
Price Joseph Rhayader 11b 350 Scan available - click to view
Price Mary Rhayader 11b 350 Scan available - click to view
seems to me this is a better bet ,just need census.

Not that one. :-( :-( :-(
Powys Marriages Transcription

First name(s) FORTUNE
Last name DREW
Birth year 1835
Marriage year 1859
Marriage day 07
Marriage month Jun
Place NANTMEL
Spouse's first name(s) JOHN
Spouse's last name GRIFFITHS
Bride's age 24
Groom's age 25
Bride's parish -
Groom's parish -
Bride's father's first name(s) James
Bride's father's last name Drew
Groom's father's first name(s) John
Groom's father's last name Griffiths
Parish Nantmel
County Radnorshire
Country Wales
Record set Powys Marriages
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Record collection Marriages & divorces
Collections from Great Britain