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I wonder?

Caroline and Ethel seemed to have gone to Stedham st James. Sussex in that 1901, even though Caroline is down as married, I wonder if she was a widow or John had left them? This could be Annie,

1901 England Census about Annie Erwin
Name: Annie Erwin
Age: 15
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1886
Relation to Head: Stepdaughter
Gender: Female
Mother: Mary Boxell
Birth Place: Bethnal Green, London, England
Civil Parish: Stedham
Ecclesiastical parish: Stedham St James
Town: Stedham
County/Island: Sussex
Country: England


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Registration district: Midhurst
Sub-registration district: Harting
ED, institution, or vessel: 9
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 974
Folio: 102
Page Number: 15
Household schedule number: 90
Household Members:
Name Age
George Boxell 52
Mary Boxell 41
William Boxell 19
Alfred L Boxell 15
Walter Boxell 6
May Boxell 1
Gladys Love 1
Annie Erwin 15 <<<<<<<<<<<<< servant

Annie Irwin is not with the Boxell family in 1911.

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Deaths Mar 1938 (>99%)
Irwin Caroline 90 Midhurst 2b 699

Due to the confusion, it might be an idea to tell us the 'facts' on you family, starting with your parents or if they are still living, their parents?

Ethel May in 1911

1911 England Census about Ethel May Irwin
Name: Ethel May Irwin
Age in 1911: 22
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1889
Relation to Head: Officer
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Stedham, Sussex, England
Civil Parish: Hendon
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England
Street address: Central London, Sick Asylum, Colindale Avenue, The Hyde, Hendon N W
Marital Status: Single
Occupation: Sick Nurse
Registration district: Hendon
Registration District Number: 130
Sub registration district: Hendon
ED, institution, or vessel: 27-34
Piece: 7128
Household Members:
Name Age
Ethel May Irwin

This all seems to tie in which a tree on Ancestry which has lots of info , I am guessing it is yours poppygirl?

I do have a lot of info on my tree, But that is when I thought I had it correct, now really not sure, if I have, or not

I saw that Caroline and Ethel were together, on 1901 census. I am sure it is them because I have noticed before that it says that Ethel was born in Dixie Stree,t which is where the Ethel I have was born. What is your opinion, please. Do you think it IS the same Caroline Irwin that was the daughter of John and Caroline.

This could be the brother Charles in 1901? it does look like the family was scattered in the 1901 census.

1901 England Census about Chas Irwin
Name: Chas Irwin
Age: 19
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1882
Relation to Head: Boarder
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Bethnal Green, London, England
Civil Parish: Reigate
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary Magdalene
County/Island: Surrey


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Registration district: Reigate
Sub-registration district: Reigate
ED, institution, or vessel: 25
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 628
Folio: 31
Page Number: 22
Household schedule number: 151
Household Members:
Name Age
Jane Coole 50
Joseph Coole 16
David Coole 13
Chas Irwin 19 <<<<<<<<<<<<<

John was in the workhouse, on the 1901 census. Perhaps he did leave the family and that IS why Charles gave Caroline away. But I believe that one of Caroline's siblings was married after that and gave, John, as their father, it is getting compllicated. Anne John's other daughter, moved to Hampshire, I believe and had a son and then married in 1921, Hampshire

possible for Charles in 1911 EDIT NO NOT THIS ONE he was born SA

1911 England Census about Charles Irwine
Name: Charles Irwine
Age in 1911: 26
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1885
Relation to Head: Boarder
Gender: Male
Civil Parish: Bethnal Green
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street address: 5 Crescent Place, Bethnal Green
Marital Status: Single
Occupation: POLICE CONSTABLE
Registration district: Bethnal Green
Registration District Number: 17
Sub registration district: Bethnal Green South West
ED, institution, or vessel: 34
Piece: 1451
Household Members:
Name Age
George Wakefield 52
Maria Wakefield 50
Charles Irwine 26 <<<<<<<<<<

Caroline Irwin b 1880-1884 was married in Mitcham in 1905 to Frederick William Tutty
They were my grandparents. Unofrtunately I do not have any other details of the family. My grandfather died when I was only young and my mother had already died, by then, anyway, so not anyone to ask. It was just that there was no other Caroline Irwin in the area around that time. Caroline was marrried in Mitcham which is not far from where the Tutty family came from, not sure what she was doing there, though.

I have details of the Tutty family and thought I had plenty of the Irwin family but am worried now that I have it wrong. I really appreciated both of you helping me. Thank you

I think you have the right family I just wish I could find the birth of Caroline :-(

1901 England Census about John Angele Irwin
Name: John Angele Irwin
Age: 57
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1844
Relation to Head: Inmate
Gender: Male
Birth Place: St George in the East, London, England
Civil Parish: Christchurch
Ecclesiastical parish: Christchurch
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

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Registration district: Southwark
Sub-registration district: Christchurch, Southwark
ED, institution, or vessel: Workhouse
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 360
Folio: 64
Page Number: 14
Household schedule number: 1

that is what I have. John is down as a widower, but his wife, caroline is down on a seperate census as married. very Strange.

Why would he not attend his daughter's marriage. If he were in the workhouse wouldn't he have been able to attend the wedding. Unless he just didn't have the money to get to Croydon, Mitcham area.

It's possible if he was in the workhouse for health reasons that he wouldn't have been fit to travel. You could buy the death cert and see if what caused his death was something 'long term' that might have prevented him being at the wedding?

thank you for your help and advice, I will do that

I think this is Robert's marriage, as you said he was a toy maker?

It gives John as father occupation, wine merchant....which seems a bit unlikely. I would guess that was made up info because John was no longer 'part of the family' . Annie Irwin was a witness,

London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921 about Robert Irwin
Name: Robert Irwin
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1874
Age: 29
Spouse: Esther Walker
Spouse Age: 21
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 12 Apr 1903
Parish: St Simon Zelotes, Bethnal Green
Borough: Tower Hamlets
Father Name: John Irwin
Register Type: Parish Register

1911 England Census about Robert Irwin
Name: Robert Irwin
Age in 1911: 37
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1874
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Bethnal Green
Civil Parish: Bethnal Green
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street address: 3 Baker St, Bethnal Green
Marital Status: Married
Years Married: 8
Estimated Marriage Year: 1903
Occupation: TOY MAKER
Registration district: Bethnal Green
Registration District Number: 17
Sub registration district: Bethnal Green North East
ED, institution, or vessel: 24
Piece: 1405
Household Members:
Name Age
Robert Irwin 37
Esther Irwin 29
Robert Irwin 0
Henry Charles Irwin 5
Arthur William Irwin 3
Alfred Irwin 1