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hi all

have found 2 marriages on familysearch

john sweeting married mary carr 1819 ferry fryston yorkshire
and
john sweeting married mary higgins 1820 monk fryston

i think my one is the top marriage
but where are they as i have not found them in the census the other couple i have found

so did the first mary die and john marry another mary
or is it different people
thank you
lorraine

There are many trees on Ancestry with the family of John Sweeting & Mary Higgins but none of them show a previous marriage of John.

How did you work back?

i worked back
from william sweeting born from about 1814 to 1819
william had a son john born 1842 derbyshire who in the 1851 census is with his aunt and uncle isaac and sarah parker they have put nephew on the census but i think its great nephew

found a sarah carr marrying a isaac parker
then mary carr marring john sweeting

Is this your William?

William Sweeting

in the West Yorkshire, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1910
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Name: William Sweeting
Parish: Ferry Fryston, St Andrew (Ferrybridge)
Baptism Date: 6 Aug 1819
Father's name: John Sweeting
Mother's name: Mary Sweeting

hi
thats the william i have gone with
in the census it says william born in ireland then doncaster

So I guess this is hime in 1851? Original does say born Doncaster, Yorkshire.

William Sweeting

in the 1851 England Census
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Name: William Sweeting
Age: 32
Estimated birth year: abt 1819
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Ann Sweeting
Gender: Male
Where born: Doncaster, Cork, Ireland
[Yorkshire, Doncaster]
Civil Parish: Derby St Peter
County/Island: Derbyshire
Country: England
Registration district: Derby
Sub-registration district: St Peter
ED, institution, or vessel: 14n
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 73
Piece: 2143
Folio: 295
Page Number: 16
Household Members:
Name Age
William Sweeting 32, general labourer, born Doncaster, Yorkshire
Ann Sweeting 32, born Coloton, Derbyshire
Mary Sweeting 11, born Shardlow, Derbyshire
Sarah Sweeting 7, born Pleasley, Derbyshire
Sophia Sweeting 5, born "
Lucy Sweeting 1, born Kilburn, Derbyshire

In 1861 William doesn't seem to know where he was born. Just says UK for him and Ann now says born Warwick.

William Sweating

in the 1861 England Census
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Name: William Sweating
[William Sweeting]
Age: 44
Estimated birth year: 1817
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Ann Sweating
Gender: Male
Where born: United Kingdom
Civil Parish: St Mary
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary
Town: Nottingham
County/Island: Nottinghamshire
Country: England

Registration district: Nottingham
Sub-registration district: Exchange
ED, institution, or vessel: 12
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 137
Piece: 2465
Folio: 87
Page Number: 23
Household Members:
Name Age
William Sweating 44, excavator, born UK
Ann Sweating 44, born Warwick
Sophia Sweating 16, born Pleasley, Notts
Lucy Sweating 12, born Kilburne, Derbyshire
William Sweating 11, born Derby
Isaac Sweating 6, born Nottingham

Different birth places in 1871 and the first time I've seen son John with them.

William Sweeting

in the 1871 England Census

Name: William Sweeting
Age: 57
Estimated birth year: abt 1814
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Ann Sweeting
Gender: Male
Where born: Crich, Derbyshire, England
Civil Parish: St Mary
Ecclesiastical parish: St Luke
County/Island: Nottinghamshire
Country: England
Registration district: Nottingham
Sub-registration district: St Mary
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Household schedule number: 187
Piece: 3511
Folio: 64
Page Number: 32
Household Members:
Name Age
William Sweeting 57, labourer, born Crich, Derbyshire
Ann Sweeting 54, born Nottingham
Issac Sweeting 14, born "
John Sweeting 30, married, marble polisher, born Draycoll, Derbyshire
William Sweeting 1, born Nottingham
Elizebeth Cousins 25, boarder

Baptism
County Nottinghamshire
Place Nottingham
Church St Mary
RegisterNumber
DateOfBirth
BaptismDate 26 Sep 1814
Forename William
Sex M
FatherForename James
MotherForename Mary
FatherSurname SWEETING
MotherSurname
Abode Narrow Marsh
FatherOccupation Labourer

Baptism
County Nottinghamshire
Place Nottingham
Church St Mary
RegisterNumber
DateOfBirth
BaptismDate 03 Mar 1816
Forename William
Sex M
FatherForename James
MotherForename Mary
FatherSurname SWEETING
MotherSurname
Abode Narrow Marsh
FatherOccupation Labourer

(there is above if fitting anywhere, from below link)

http://www.freereg.org.uk/cgi/Search.pl

Chris :)


1851 (Find My Past) (Reference John)
Isaac Parker Head Married Male 39 1812 Farmer Of 6 Acres & Ag Lab Horsley, Derbyshire, England
Sarah Parker Wife Married Female 40 1811 Cotton Hose Stitcher Milford, Derbyshire, England
John Sweeting Nephew - Male 9 1842 Scholar Horsley, Derbyshire, England
County Derbyshire
Hamlet Horsley
Registration district Belper
Archive reference HO107
Piece number 2144
Folio 275
Page 5


England Marriages 1538-1973 Transcription (Find My Past)

First name(s) Isaac
Last name Parker
Marriage year 1831
Marriage date 26 Dec 1831
Marriage place Duffield,Derby,England
Spouse's first name(s) Sarah
Spouse's last name Car
Place Duffield


Wakefield district marriages Transcription (Find My Past)

First name(s) JOHN
Last name SWEETING
Marriage year 1819
Marriage day 17
Marriage month Mar
Church St Andrew
Marriage place FERRY FRYSTON
Spouse's first name(s) MARY
Groom's first name(s) John
Groom's last name SWEETING
Groom's residence This Parish
Bride's first name(s) Mary
Bride's last name CARR
Bride's residence This Parish
How married Banns
County Yorkshire, Yorkshire (West Riding)

yes thats the right family

but would love to know what happened to john and mary [williams parents ]

Above Baptisms have father as James...

Chris :)


Marriages Dec 1860 (>99%)
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Sweeting John Nottingham 7b 386
Wilson Phoebe Nottingham 7b 386


(looks like Sharon was searching on below, and Derek (Derbyshire) helping on other one)

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1054523


http://www.genesreunited.co.za/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1191073?d=asc&page=60


Derbyshire Registrars Marriage Index Transcription (Find My Past)

First name(s) William
Last name Sweeting
Marriage year 1838
Parish St.Peter
Place Derby
Spouse's first name Anne
Spouse's last name Copson
Reference SP/01/052
Register Office 394
County Derbyshire


http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1341919

littlelegs Report 26 Jun 2014 08:58

hi all
marriage cert for william sweeting

william sweeting
married 15 july 1838 saint peters church derbyshire
ann copson

fathers name john sweeting shoemaker

thank you very much everyone

thank you chris
looked for that could not find it [silly me ]

so we know williams father was john
but what john
can anyone find this john and mary in any census [the ones that married in 1819 ]
or any deaths

off to bed now will check again tomorrow

and thank you for all info so far

West Yorkshire, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1910
Name: William Sweeting
Parish: Ferry Fryston, St Andrew (Ferrybridge)
Baptism Date: 6 Aug 1819
Father's Name: John Sweeting
Mother's name: Mary Sweeting

John is a cordwainer (shoemaker)

(well looks to above one, posted by MC on other 'Thread', and Margee on this one, so for Burials perhaps you need W. Yorks., not everything is online, you may need to see Parish Records, he may have died before 1841)

Chris :)

So (for our reference) -

this is the Mary you are assuming was Mary Higgins:

Mary Sweeting in the 1841 England Census

Name: Mary Sweeting
Age: 40
Estimated birth year: abt 1801
Gender: Female
Where born: Yorkshire, England
Civil Parish: Monk Frystone
Hundred: Barkstone Ash (Lower Division)
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England
Registration district: Pontefract
Sub-registration district: Knottingley
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 1281
Book: 8
Folio: 7
Page Number: 8
Household Members:
Name Age
John Sweeting 50
Mary Sweeting 40
Richd Sweeting 15
Emma Sweeting 14
Jane Sweeting 11
George Sweeting 9
Thomas Sweeting 4
Eliza Sweeting 7
Mary Sweeting 1
Source Citation
Class: HO107; Piece: 1281; Book: 8; Civil Parish: Monk Frystone; County: Yorkshire; Enumeration District: 16; Folio: 7; Page: 8; Line: 7; GSU roll: 464248


Not that it helps!
Unfortunately the christening records for all the children only give mother's name as Mary, no surname.

Can't find a birth for either of the Marys.
Nor a death for a Mary Sweeting 1819-20.

Sorry - I'm not saying anything you don't know already!
Looks like one of those tantalising unsolvable mysteries.

thank you so much
dont think we will find anything else

but a big thank you to all for info found