Genealogy Chat

I have no idea whether this is on one of the other threads .....

London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921

Name: Ellen Elizabeth Covell
Estimated birth year: abt 1874
Age: 27
Spouse: James Nevill
Spouse Age: 38
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 21 Dec 1901
Parish: South Acton
Borough: Ealing
Spouse Father: James Nevill
Register Type: Parish Register

from image:-

James
Age 38
Widower
Labourer
Address:- 10Junction Road
Father occupation:- Labourer (deceased)

Ellen Elizabeth
Age 27
Spinster
Same address
Father:- not named

Witnesses:- Henry Couzens and Lucy Caroline Mary Bamlus (???spelling)


That probably means either that her father died or deserted when she was so young that she never knew his name OR that she was illegitimate.

Dolores


the information that Margee posted said that Ellen emigrated in 1909

William in 1900


and the young man in 1919


William was born ca 1869


Ellen allegedly was about 3 years younger than William, so was born ca 1872



Please do read the information carefully

I know, it's all confusing to me too. All I was interested in was Ellen, the common-law wife, but naturally it reverts back to good old gramps. I will leave it at that.
Thank you very much.

Regards

Dolores

It gives her age as 49 making her birth year 1872. I added years of immigration which was 1906 for her and 1919 for her son.

William J. Courtenay (Courtney) separated from Josephine C. Jago in April of 1916.
He was with Ellen Neville (nee Covell) common-law in 1928 in British Columbia. Ellen's son must have taken the Courtenay name. She had no children to my grandfather. So this last info sounds like them. Does the info read that Ellen was born around 1869 and immigrated to Canada in 1900. Curios.

Dolores, don't you see the confusion that you're causing by repeatedly starting new threads about the same family? Information is being duplicated and nobody is willing to search all of your previous threads to see what has already been posted.

I thought this one was different, it was asking about different people, but lo & behold we came back to old Willie J. again!

I'm giving up ........

...... too many threads, too much information spread around on the different threads, too much duplication of efforts to find information and help :-(

This is just one of many, many threads about William Joseph Courtney and it's getting very difficult to find what's previously been posted.

Yes, Sylvia, I have added immigration years to the 1921 census.

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/genealogy_chat/thread/1353461

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1353460

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/military_chat/thread/1353240

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/genealogy_chat/thread/1353463

I had not read the posts thoroughly ............. I completely missed that Margee had already searched the 1916 Census and found, as I have just done, that none of them can be found on there


Margee ........... does that 1921 Census say when she and James emigrated?



sorry .... just seen that you have added that information!

The 1921 census, posted by Margee above, was posted in one of your other threads - the name Kootenay rings a bell. It's a shame the research has had to be duplicated because of different threads.

You mention his attestation papers. Is this the record? (I think also posted in some other thread - I remember mention of Skibereen.) If so, it just says his wife was Ellen Courtney - no mention of the names Neville or Covell:


William Joseph Courtney
in the Canada, Soldiers of the First World War, 1914-1918
Name: William Joseph Courtney
Birth Date: 25 Oct 1876
Birth Location: Skipperine, Tipperary, Ireland
Residence: Winnipeg, Manitoba
Relative: Ellen Courtney
Relationship: Wife
Regiment Number: 216582

does the 1916 Census not give the year she and John James immigrated?

Could this be them?


William J Courtenay

in the 1921 Census of Canada
Record Image View

Name: William J Courtenay
Gender: Male
Marital Status: Married
Age: 52
Birth Year: abt 1869
Birth Place: England
Relation to Head of House: Head
Spouse's Name: Ellen E Courtenay
Father Birth Place: England
Mother Birth Place: England
Year of Immigration: 1900
Racial or Tribal Origin: English
Province or Territory: British Columbia
District: Kootenay West
District Number: 18
Sub-District: Slocan Park
Sub-District Number: 11
City, Town or Village: Trail Electoral District
Street or Township: Williams Siding
Municipality: Polling Div #37
Occupation: Farmer
Income: 200
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
William J Courtenay 52
Ellen E Courtenay 49
James Courtenay 19

All born England. He emigrated 1900, she 1906 and son 1919.

"They separated in April 1916 according to the military papers. My grandfather ended up in Alberta, Canada with her around 1928."

Sorry - who separated? and who was he with in 1928?

Kath.

Re William Joseph Courtney, my grandfather. I got his attestation paper when he served in the Canadian Over-Seas Expeditionary Force in Winnipeg, Manitoba. He lists her as his wife on that paper. She was his common-law wife as he never divorced his law full wife Josephine Clara Courtney(nee Jago). They separated in April 1916 according to the military papers. My grandfather ended up in Alberta, Canada with her around 1928.
Ellen Neville could possibly have been married to a William Allen at the time. Haven't found out when she immigrated to Canada.

Did she marry in Winnipeg? But then she wouldn't have been Neville in 1916.

Ellen Covel Neville

in the Web: Manitoba, Marriage Index, 1879-1931

Name: Ellen Covel Neville
Gender: Female
Spouse: William Allen
Marriage Date: 16 Aug 1914
Marriage Place: Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada

Where did you get the info that she lived with your grandfather in Winnipeg in 1916? I can't see them on the 1916 census.

In the 1901 census 10 Junction Road, Acton, Middlesex is a boarding house. James Neville is not there at the time.

I think you need to buy the marriage certificate for more information.

Kath. x

Kath. x

Just going by the birth certificate of John James. born June 2, 1902. 10 Junction Road, Acton county of Middlesex. Father ,a general labourer, Mother Ellen Elizabeth (E.E. Neville)..Have no other info than above.

There are lots of birth records for girls named Ellen Covell. Impossible to know which might be her.

No Ellen Elizabeths.

One Ellen Eliza , but in 1862 - probably too early.

Births Dec 1862 (>99%)
COVELL Ellen Eliza Stepney 1c 508