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I want to order a birth certificate for a John Clarke, Liverpool , the date of birth 17th May 1853, would this be under the June-July-Aug quarter, as there is no March-April-May quarter for my ancestor's date of birth.

you can search on freebmd for index if you want to look for yourself. His birth may not have been registered.

Have you got him on a census with his parents? if so who are they?

A slight problem - the quarters run
Jan-Mar
Apr-Jun
Jul-Sep
Oct-Dec

From http://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl

Births Sep 1853 (>99%) (July-Sep)
Clarke John Liverpool 8b 43
Clarke John Liverpool 8b 48
Clarke John Liverpool 8b 176

Births Dec 1853 (>99%) (Oct-Dec)
CLARKE John Liverpool 8b 49

As you can see, there are no births reg in the Apr-Jun quarter. Its possible that one of the Johns was your man as he could have been registered towards the end of the 6 week period but in the following quarter. On the other hand, it wasn't compulsary to register a birth until the mid 1870s!

You could submit an order to GRO specifying the parents names. Where it says 'is the gro ref known?' (or words like that) tick NO.

Where did you get his date of birth?

Rose

I found his birth date from the Liverpool Catholic Baptisms records
I am about 80% certain his parents were Philip and Catherine (nee Soraghan)

Name: John Clarke
Birth Date: 17 May 1853
Baptism Date: 22 May 1853
Parish: St Mary's, Lancashire, England
Father's name: Philip Clarke
Mother's name: Catherine Clarke

As you are aware, what you see is what you get!

Many families decided that a Baptism Certificate was as good as a BC.

Assuming this is John with his widowed mother in 1881

Name: Catherine Clarke
Age: 61
Estimated birth year: abt 1820
Relationship to Head: Head
Gender: Female
Where born: Ireland
Civil Parish: Everton
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street address: 87 Roscommon Street
Marital Status: Widow

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Registration district: West Derby
ED, institution, or vessel: 23
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 3658
Folio: 7
Page Number: 10
Household Members:
Name Age
Catherine Clarke 61
Anne Clarke 28
Ellen Clarke 26
Mary Clarke 24
John Clarke 24 <<
Philip Clarke 20
James Clarke 18
Joseph Clarke 16
Matthew Clarke 14
Mary Woods 18

There is a bap for Matthew Clarke
Name: Mathaus Clarke
Birth Date: 15 Aug 1867
Baptism Date: 18 Aug 1867
Parish: Holy Cross, Lancashire, England
Father's name: Philippi Clarke
Mother's name: Catharina Clarke

which Ancestry links to this birth reg

Name: Matthew Clarke
Registration Year: 1867
Registration Quarter: Jul-Aug-Sep
Registration district: Liverpool
Inferred County: Lancashire
Volume: 8b
Page: 125

Obviously, Matthew's BC would give his mother's maiden name

many thanks for the searches, I think I will order Matthew's BC instead, hopefully it will have the mother's maiden name on it.

John Clarke

in the 1861 England Census
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Name: John Clarke
Age: 7
Estimated birth year: 1854
Relation: Son
Father's name: Philip Clarks
Mother's name: Catherine Clarke
Gender: Male
Where born: Liverpool
Civil Parish: Liverpool
Ecclesiastical parish: St Stephen
Town: Liverpool
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Registration district: Liverpool
Sub-registration district: Dale Street
ED, institution, or vessel: 3b
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 152
Piece: 2666
Folio: 25
Page Number: 47
Household Members:
Name Age
Philip Clarks 52
Catherine Clarke 41
Andrew T Clarke 16
Ann Clarke 13
Ellen Clarke 10
John Clarke 7
Mary Clarke 5
Philip Clarke 3
James Clarke 4
Benj Bown 65

Benj. Brown is a boarder. James Is 4 months not years.

Parents and first child born Ireland, all the rest Liverpool.