Genealogy Chat

I am trying to find a marriage in Cumberland between James Davidson and Elizabeth Kendal about 1850 as their first child was born in 1852. I can't find a marriage and was wondering whether to travel up to Carlisle to look for it. Someone else asked the office there to look for it but they didn't come up with anything so it may be a lost marriage. I can't believe they weren't married. Elizabeth is shown as born in Carlisle c1826 and James around the Brampton area c1824.

Please has anyone any ideas where I can go from here?

Hello Rosalinda - why can't you believe they weren't married? It wasn't unusual back then.

One of them may have already been married to someone else so they weren't free to wed.

Another possibility is that Elizabeth had been previously married and widowed so the marriage would have been in her then married name.

Did you get her maiden name from a birth certificate?

Yes her name was on her children's birth certs. All the others in the family were married so I think they would have married. I suppose it is possible that Kendal was her married name if she had been married before

On the birth certificates it should state the mothers' previous names, e.g. Elizabeth Smith, formerly Kendal. Of course, it depends on who registered the birth and if they bothered to give the information.

You mention the first child was born 1852, someone with a tree on Ancestry has a child for them born in 1850:

Name: John Davidson
Gender: Male
Baptism Date: 26 Jun 1850
Baptism Place: Brampton,Cumberland,England
Father: James Davidson
Mother: Elizabeth
FHL Film Number: 0252842-0252847

Now whether that person has mistakenly added that boy as a child of theirs when in fact he belongs to another James and Elizabeth is hard to confirm. That infant doesn't appear with them on the 1861 census.

John is their child. Just a mo, I'm just trying to find something on my emails about this

Sorry, what I meant was that if Kendal was her maiden name and she then wed, e.g. a Mr Smith, then she would have remarried as Elizabeth Smith.

Do you have James and Elizabeth on the 1851 census?

1851??


Name:James Davison
Age:28
Estimated birth year:abt 1823
Relation:Head
Spouse's Name:Elizabeth Davison
Gender:Male
Where born:Branton, Cumberland, England
Civil Parish:Preston
Ecclesiastical parish:St James
Phillimore Ecclesiastical Parish Maps:
View related Ecclesiastical Parish
County/Island:Lancashire
Country:England
Street address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
Disability:
View image
Registration district:Preston
Sub-registration district:Preston
ED, institution, or vessel:01g
Neighbors:
View others on page
Household schedule number:147
Piece:2265
Folio:273
Page Number:40
Household Members:
Name
Age


James Davison 28
Elizabeth Davison 23
John Davison 11 Mo

Andy

???

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Marriages Dec 1849 (>99%)
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Cartwright John Carlisle 25 52
>>>>>Davidson James Carlisle 25 52
>>>>>Elliot Elizabeth Carlisle 25 52
Johnston Arthur Carlisle 25 52
Johnston Phillis Carlisle 25 52
Jones Jane Carlisle 25 52
Lewis William Carlisle 25 52
Matthews Margaret Carlisle 25 52

Thanks, yes I have them living in Preston. I think John went to live with another Davidson for a while but I don't know why. I am looking for Johns birth cert just now. I seem to remember that Elizabeth Kendal was named as his mother

Found it. The address they were living at when John was born was Padden Beck Carlisle. Mother Elizabeth Davidson formerly Kendale. He was baptised 1850 showing Boothby as the address

Thanks Andrew, I'll have a look at Elizabeth Elliot now

Name:James Davidson
Gender:Male
Marriage Date:3 Nov 1849
Marriage Place:Saint Mary,Carlisle,Cumberland,England
Spouse: Elizabeth Elliot
FHL Film Number:
252813, 252814, 252815, 252816


Andy

I can't find any births with parents James Davidson and Elizabeth Elliot

They might be this couple. If so not yours, at least can be discounted.


Name:Elizabeth Davidson
Age:25
Estimated birth year:
abt 1826
Relation:Wife
Spouse's Name:James Davidson
Gender:Female
Where born:Carlisle, Cumberland, England
Civil Parish:Chelsea
Ecclesiastical parish:Christ Church
County/Island:Middlesex
Country:England
Street address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
Disability:
View image
Registration district:Chelsea
Sub-registration district:Chelsea South
ED, institution, or vessel:14
Neighbors:
View others on page
Household schedule number:174
Piece:1472
Folio:372
Page Number:39
Household Members:
Name
Age

James Davidson 28
Elizabeth Davidson 25

Andy

Andy, Which census record is this?

Thanks Andy, if this is the 1851 census then they should have John aged 1 living with them

It is the 1851 census that Andrew has posted so they probably aren't your couple.

Have you looked for a marriage for your couple much later? Sometimes people married a great many years after their children were born for all sorts of reasons. I have looked myself using name variants and I can't find a marriage either.

This is the only Davidson/Kendal marriage I can find:-

First name(s) RICHARD
Last name DAVIDSON
Marriage quarter 2
Marriage year 1845
Registration month -
MarriageFinder™ RICHARD DAVIDSON married one of these people
SARAH LAWSON, MARGARET PHILIPSON, >>>>>>>>ANN KENDAL<<<<<<<<<<
District COCKERMOUTH
District number -
County Cumberland
Country England
Volume 25
Page 87

I can't find this couple on the 1851 census. Do you think it is possible that your couple changed their names for some reason?

Kath. x

elizbeth elliot


Elizabeth Elliot
England Births and Christenings
Name Elizabeth Elliot
Gender Female
Christening Date 13 Aug 1826
Christening Place SAINT CUTHBERT,CARLISLE,CUMBERLAND,ENGLAND
Father's Name James Elliot
Mother's Name Elizabeth

I don't know but it's worth checking out. I'll look later as I have to go out now thanks for your help
Linda x

That's interesting Malyon. Maybe I should get their marr cert to check out the parents thanks