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18 Feb 2019 14:51 |
Looking for further information on James Booth , Fine spinner, father of Margaret Booth, shown on her marriage registration of 1/Jan/1861 aged 22 , at St Phillips, Manchester. -born 1839?
Margaret then residing at Every Street, All Souls, Manchester. 1861 census on 7/apr/1861 - so only possible on 1841 and 1851 census returns.
Several possibles for James Booth on census , but none? shown as a Fine Spinner.
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18 Feb 2019 17:05 |
Margaret Booth England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
Name: Margaret Booth Residence Place: Chorley, Lancashire, England Gender: Female Christening Date: 05 Apr 1835 Christening Date (Original): 5 Apr 1835 Christening Place: Chorley, Lancashire, England Father's Name: James Booth Mother's Name: Catherine Booth
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18 Feb 2019 17:10 |
could this be margaret her mother catherine married again
Records Family Tree Genealogies Catalog Books Wiki Margaret Booth England and Wales Census, 1851
Name: Margaret Booth Event Type: Census Event Date: 1851 Event Place: Haslingden, Lancashire, England Registration District: Haslingden Residence Note: Lower Lane Gender: Female Age: 16 Marital Status: Unmarried Occupation: Power Loom Weaver Relationship to Head of Household: Daughter Birth Year (Estimated): 1835 Birthplace: Chorley, Lancashire Page Number: 24 Registration Number: HO107 Piece/Folio: 2250 / 139 Affiliate Record Type: Household Household Role Sex Age Birthplace Henry Booth Head Male 43 Duxbury, Lancashire Catherine Booth Wife Female 45 Eccleston, Lancashire Margaret Booth Daughter Female 16 Chorley, Lancashire Elizabeth Booth Daughter Female 13 Chorley, Lancashire John William Booth Son Male 10 Chorley, Lancashire James Henry Booth Son Male 8 Chorley, Lancashire Charles Booth Son Male 6 Bolton, Lancashire Moses Booth Son Male 4 Chorley, Lancashire Richard Booth Son Male 1 Haslingden, Lancashire
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18 Feb 2019 17:22 |
Surname First name(s) District Vol Page Marriages Mar 1861 (>99%) Booth Margaret Manchester 8d 501 HARTLE Margaret Manchester 8d 501 MASSEY George Manchester 8d 501 <<<<<<<<< Timperley Joseph Manchester 8d 501
----------------------- Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1861 Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference BOOTH Margaret MASSEY George Manchester, St. Philip Archives+, Manchester Central Library
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18 Feb 2019 17:29 |
Is this your Margaret?
1871 England, Wales & Scotland Census Harding Street, Manchester, Lancashire, England.
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place George Massey Head - Male 35 1836 - Cheshire, England Margaret Massey Wife - Female 31 1840 - Lancashire, England Alfred Massey Son - Male 9 1862 - Lancashire, England Annie Massey Daughter - Female 6 1865 - Lancashire, England Sarah Massey Daughter - Female 3 1868 - Lancashire, England William H Massey Son - Male 1 1870 - Lancashire, England Elizabeth Boardman Lodger - Female 43 1828 - Lancashire, England Marthan Ann Boardman Lodger Daur - Female 20 1851 - Lancashire, England
Margaret b Manchester George a Journeyman Baker
Have you followed Margaret through the census' to check if James living with them at all, or if any children may have spent time with grandparents?
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18 Feb 2019 17:38 |
?? Possible 2 births but not all were registered
Name: Mother's Maiden Surname: BOOTH, MARGARET THOMPSON GRO Reference: 1838 S Quarter in MANCHESTER Volume 20 Page 473
BOOTH, MARGARET SANDHAM GRO Reference: 1841 J Quarter in MANCHESTER Volume 20 Page 629
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ErikaH
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18 Feb 2019 18:40 |
Aged 22 on 1st Jan 1861 means born no later than 1st Jan 1839
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18 Feb 2019 19:03 |
1851 census posted above for Catherine the mother.
Children on there ie Moses, Richard and Charles had mums maiden name as Cuerdon/Kuerdon.
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SylviaInCanada
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18 Feb 2019 19:58 |
There is only one Margaret Booth with father James shown on lancs opc born in the right time period IF she gave her correct age on the marriage certificate.
This baptism occurred in Blackburn ............. have you discovered where she was born from any censuses after she was married???
Baptism: 30 Nov 1838 St Mary the Virgin, Blackburn, Lancashire, England Peggy Booth - Daughter of James Booth & Scott Abode: Blackburn Occupation: Weaver Baptised by: P. Maitland Register: Baptisms 1835 - 1839, Page 349 Source: LDS Film 1278805
Note that James' occupation is shown as Weaver .......................
as someone whose family is from Lancashire, I have seen many descriptions of occupations, but I have not seen Fine Weaver or Fine Weaver given on a census, so it might be better NOT to use that as a criterion for finding James.
I'm posting this even though the occupation is wrong. Margaret is the correct age, the location is correct, although James is NOT a Fine Weaver ...............
1851 Census
England Census
Name: Margaret Booth Age: 12 Estimated birth year: abt 1839 Relation: Daughter Father's name: James Booth Gender: Female Where born: Manchester, , England Lancashire Civil Parish: Manchester Ecclesiastical parish: All Souls Phillimore Ecclesiastical Parish Maps: View related Ecclesiastical Parish County/Island: Lancashire Country: England
Registration district: Manchester Sub-registration district: Ancoats ED, institution, or vessel: 1mm
Household schedule number: 228 Piece: 2226 Folio: 453 Page Number: 61
James Booth 40 b.ca 1811, Mottram, Cheshire, Boot and Shoe Maker Mary Booth 15 b.ca 1836. Manchester, Weaver Margaret Booth 12
Address:- 97 Pollard St
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SylviaInCanada
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18 Feb 2019 20:18 |
This is that same family in 1841. James is a Shoe Maker
1841 Census
Name: James Booth Age: 30 Estimated birth year: abt 1811 Gender: Male Civil Parish: Manchester Hundred: Salford County/Island: Lancashire Country: England
Registration district: Manchester Sub-registration district: Ancoats Piece: 577 Book: 21 Folio: 35 Page Number: 13
James Booth 30 Not Born in County, Shoe Maker Mary Booth 40 Mary Booth 5 Margaret Booth 2 James Booth 1 Mo
Address:- Ashton Street
from Lancs opc
Baptism: 6 Jul 1836 Collegiate, Manchester, Lancashire, England Mary Booth - daughter of James Booth & Mary Abode: Manchr Occupation: Cordwainer Baptised by: H. Fielding Register: Baptisms 1836, Page 394, Entry 3146 Source: LDS Film 1545610
I can't find other baptisms.
This is the ONLY Margaret with father James that I can find.
You might have to consider the possibility that a) she didn't give the correct occupation for her father, or b) she didn't give the correct name for father either because she didn't know him because he had left the family while she was very young or she was illegitimate.
There is always the possibility that she lied about her age, and was under the age of 21 when they got married
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margaret
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18 Feb 2019 23:17 |
Thank you
Margaret Booth married George Massey, Baker, - she died in 1871? and he died in April 1879, while he was Sect. of the Manchester Bakers Union. They are buried at the Ardwick cemetery., Manchester south. He was born in Rosthern parish Cheshire, and came to Manchester at about 16 yrs old.
I presumed that the term ' fine spinner ' was a type of thread, possibly silk? and unlikely to refer to any other trade?
I wondered even though she was living in Manchester at the time of her marriage she might have been in lodgings near to her place of work, rather than with her family?
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18 Feb 2019 23:28 |
I would think it did refer to a spinner of silk ......... but I can't find Fine Weaver or Fine Spinner listed under any old occupations.
Silk weaving was common in parts of Cheshire, especially Macclesfield, where there is still a silk mill that operates as a tourist attraction. A small amount of silk weaving might also have taken place in Manchester, although cotton and wool were more common.
It's just that I've never seen that description used.
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19 Feb 2019 10:31 |
Thank you all
It seems Margaret was buried at Ardwick Cem. in September 1872 the details say she was born 1840.
She is present on the 1871 census for Harding Street, with 4 children a husband and two lodgers... Born Manchester.
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19 Feb 2019 10:31 |
Thank you all
It seems Margaret was buried at Ardwick Cem. in September 1872 the details say she was born 1840.
She is present on the 1871 census for Harding Street, with 4 children a husband and two lodgers... Born Manchester.
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19 Feb 2019 10:59 |
Looking at the children in the 1871 census (in case they were with grandparents in other censuses as suggested) -
their father George remarried, very quickly after Margaret's death :
William H. Massey in the 1881 England Census Name: William H. Massey Age: 12 Estimated birth year: abt 1869 Relationship to Head: Step Son Gender: Male Where born: Manchester, Lancashire, England Civil Parish: Beswick County/Island: Lancashire Country: England Street address: 7 Reservoir St Occupation: Scholar Registration district: Prestwich ED, institution, or vessel: 41 Neighbors: Piece: 4019 Folio: 18 Page Number: 29 Household Members: Name Age Ann Massey 48 - widow Sarah Massey 14 - stepdaughter William H. Massey 12 - stepson Amelia Stanway 77 - mother Catherine Stanway 27 - sister Ann J. Stanway 2 - niece Elizabeth Coulten 48 - visitor
Ann Stanaway in the England, Select Marriages, 1538–1973 Name: Ann Stanaway Gender: Female Marriage Date: 22 Dec 1872 Marriage Place: Cathedral,Manchester,Lancashire,England Spouse: George Massey FHL Film Number: 438229, 438230, 438231, 438232, 438233
Deaths Sep 1872 (>99%) MASSEY Margaret 32 Manchester 8d 130
Then Ann in her turn remarried in 1881, to Thomas Irving, in Northenden, Lancs..
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19 Feb 2019 11:03 |
Found this for those interested in the Textile industry in Manchester ;-
Fine Spinners and Doublers, formed from a group of spinning companies specialising in fine Sea Island Cottons, was registered on 31 March 1898.[1] The Fine Cotton Spinners and Doublers Association Limited had the objective of promoting the interests of cotton spinners in North West England.[2] It was founded through the efforts of Herbert Dixon and Scott Lings in 1897. Businesses that joined in this enterprise at the time included A&G Murray Ltd, Houldsworths, CE Bennett & Co, James & Wainwright Bellhouse and McConnell & Co; but many more followed in subsequent years.[2][3]
The new association was vast compared with its competitors and its large size enabled it to secure its supplies of cotton from the Sea Island and Egypt.[2] For thirty years it was the world's largest cotton-spinning concern, expanding to operate 60 mills and employ 30,000 operatives.[3]
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ArgyllGran
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23 Feb 2019 16:24 |
Related thread:
https://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/genealogy_chat/thread/1375783
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margaret
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4 Mar 2019 15:55 |
The Slaters Trade Directory of Manchester 1863, has a James Booth , Spinner, as at 10 Smith Street ( runs off Junction street - a continuation of Carruthers street ,Ancoats- near the Bank of England pub).
There is also an entry on the Poor Rate Tax list which shows him at this address for a number of years -1858 - 1863, so paying the tax. However the house at 10 Smith street, st Judes- Ancoats on the 1861 census does not show him as the occupant., but a Samuel Hardman? and wife. I presume he has sub let the house. Or the enumerator did not complete the form?
So I know now he existed at this address and as a spinner,( at some point.) but dont know how to follow this lead...? any suggestions please
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lancashireAnn
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5 Mar 2019 15:09 |
just to confuse things there are 2 George & Margaret Massey families in Lancashire
1871
George Massey 32 spinner Margaret Massey 33 John Thos Massey 10 Winefred Massey 6 Henry Massey 4 Margaret Massey 2 - think this one was registered as Martha
all with mmn Gillibrand
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ErikaH
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19 Apr 2019 17:11 |
https://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/genealogy_chat/thread/1377052
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