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Kentishmaid
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1 Aug 2021 16:40 |
Bear with me please as this gets complicated. Violet Lydia Lucy Amelia Dollar (my grandmother), was born in 1902 in Stockbridge
Her parents on the birth certificate are show as Edgar Dollar and Lucy Dollar(formerly Newman)
Edgar was born in 1849 in Stockbridge
I have found Edgar and Lucy and their children on the 1901 census in Stockbridge and 1891 census in Lambeth. Edgar was single and in a workhouse in 1881
Lucy is shown as Edgar's wife on the census returns but I have never found a marriage
On her death certificate in 1909 she is shown as Lucy Dollar Young aged 47 and her death was recorded by her son Alfred Dollar Young
I have a marriage certificate dated 1906 showing an Edward William Newman (otherwise known as Dollar] marrying a Florence Isaacs
Lucy also had a baby 1879, Edith Florence Newman (born in the workhouse and no father shown)
I have never found a marriage between Dollar and Newman and have tried searching Dollar/Young marriage and Newman/Young marriages but haven't been able to find any
Can anyone suggest where I can go next?
Many thank for taking the time to read this
Dee
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nameslessone
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1 Aug 2021 16:46 |
Have you got the birth certificate of the son, Alfred Dollar Young? This might give some clues as to where the name Young comes from.
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Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it
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1 Aug 2021 17:13 |
Alfred was registered as
Name: Alfred Edgar A Doller Registration Year: 1892 Registration Quarter: Jul-Aug-Sep Registration District: Stockbridge Parishes for this Registration District: View Ecclesiastical Parishes associated with this Registration District Inferred County: Hampshire Volume: 2c Page: 96
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DOLLER, ALFRED EDGAR ARTHUR NEWMAN GRO Reference: 1892 S Quarter in STOCKBRIDGE Volume 02C Page 96
Death Name: Alfred Edgar A Doller Death Age: 80 Birth Date: 27 Jul 1892 Registration Date: Oct 1972 [Nov 1972] [Dec 1972] Registration Quarter: Oct-Nov-Dec Registration District: Winchester Inferred County: Hampshire Volume: 6b Page: 2185
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Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it
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1 Aug 2021 17:19 |
DOLLER, ANNIE ISABEL NEWMAN GRO Reference: 1899 D Quarter in STOCKBRIDGE Volume 02C Page 119
Name: Edger Dollar [Edgar Dollar] [Edger Doller] Age: 56 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1845 Relation to Head: Head Gender: Male Spouse: Lucy Dollar Birth Place: Stockbridge, Hampshire, England Civil Parish: Stockbridge Search Photos: Search for 'Stockbridge' in the UK City, Town and Village Photos collection Ecclesiastical parish: Stockbridge St Peter Town: Stockbridge County/Island: Hampshire Country: England Street Address:
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View image Registration District: Stockbridge Sub-registration District: Stockbridge ED, institution, or vessel: 4 Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 1079 Folio: 69 Page Number: 21 Household Schedule Number: 150 Household Members: Name Age Edger Dollar 56 Lucy Dollar 39 Ethel R Dollar 15 Alfred G Dollar 8 Florence G Dollar 12 Ellen M Dollar 5 Annie I Dollar 1 Thomas Isaacs 43
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Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it
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1 Aug 2021 17:22 |
NEWMAN, EDWARD WILLIAM COYNE - GRO Reference: 1882 S Quarter in STOCKBRIDGE Volume 02C Page 92
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Kentishmaid
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1 Aug 2021 17:24 |
No, must admit I haven't got that, There is an 8 year old Alfred on the 1901 census, but I would have thought he would have been too young to register his Mother's death in 1909? The only vague possible I have found is an Alfred Newman born Lambeth 1894 but have not sent for the certificate
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Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it
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1 Aug 2021 17:34 |
1911 census
Name: Edward William Newman Age in 1911: 28 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1883 Relation to Head: Head Gender: Male Birth Place: Stockbridge, Hampshire, England Civil Parish: Portsmouth Search Photos: Search for 'Portsmouth' in the UK City, Town and Village Photos collection Country: England Street Address: 3 North Street, Landport, Portsmouth Marital status: Married Occupation: Royal Navy Seaman Registration District Number: 90 Sub-registration District: Portsea and Landport ED, institution, or vessel: 06 Piece: 5566 Household Members: Name Age Edward William Newman 28 Florence Newman 24 Florence Edith Newman 1
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nameslessone
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1 Aug 2021 17:35 |
Maybe you need to work a timeline for Alfred Dollar Young to see when he added the Young.
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Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it
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1 Aug 2021 17:36 |
Sooo there doesn’t seem to be a marriage between Edgar and Lucy
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Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it
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1 Aug 2021 17:38 |
Name: Edgar Doller Death Age: 85 Birth Date: abt 1847 Registration Date: Jul 1932 [Aug 1932] [Sep 1932] Registration Quarter: Jul-Aug-Sep Registration District: Stockbridge Inferred County: Hampshire Volume: 2c Page: 120
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Kentishmaid
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1 Aug 2021 17:40 |
Thank you Shirley, that was quick. I guess I am surprised that a 17 year old registered the death
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Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it
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1 Aug 2021 17:40 |
And Lucy has acquired the Young name between 1901 and her death
Name: Lucy Dollar-young Age: 47 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1862 Registration Quarter: Oct-Nov-Dec Death Registration Place: Stockbridge, Hampshire, United Kingdom Death Date: Dec 1909 Inferred Death Place: Hampshire, United Kingdom Volume: 2c Page: 67
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ArgyllGran
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1 Aug 2021 17:41 |
Alfred Dollar Young is back to being Dollar/Doller in 1911.
Alfred Arthur Edward Doller in the 1911 England Census Name: Alfred Arthur Edward Doller Age in 1911: 18 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1893 Relation to Head: Boarder Gender: Female Birth Place: Stockbridge, Hampshire, England Civil Parish: Bitterne Country: England Street Address: Moorlands Farm, Town Hill, Bitterne, Hants Marital status: Single Occupation: Under Cowman On Farm Registration District Number: 100 Sub-registration District: St Mary Extra ED, institution, or vessel: 23 Piece: 6045 Household Members: Name Age Walter John May Eldridge 25 Elizabeth Kate Eldridge 28 Kathleen Emma May Eldridge 4 Alfred Arthur Edward Doller 18
No help with your query, but posting in case you don't have this:
Alfred Arthur Edwin Dollar in the UK, British Army World War I Pension Records 1914-1920 Name: Alfred Arthur Edwin Dollar Gender: Male Birth Date: abt 1893 Birth Place: Stockbridge, Hampshire, England Age: 20 Document Year: 1913 Regimental Number: 1915 Regiment Name: Hampshire Regiment Form Title: Territorial Force Attestation Number of Images: 2 : Name Relation to Soldier Alfred Arthur Edwin Dollar
Address: New Buildings, Longstock. Occupation: Agricultural carter, working for Mr Holloway, Longstock. NOK: Mr Dollar, Stockbridge
He only served from 25/1/1913 until 11/11/1914 - no reason given.
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Kentishmaid
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1 Aug 2021 17:42 |
Namelessone, think that is the only way forward. Have a feeling our Lucy may have never actually married and of the fathers of her children. :-(
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Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it
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1 Aug 2021 17:49 |
Here is where the Young comes in
Ethel rose Doller on the 1901 census isnt reg as such but this looks like her birth
YOUNG, ETHEL ROSE NEWMAN GRO Reference: 1885 J Quarter in WINCHESTER Volume 02C Page 99
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Kentishmaid
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1 Aug 2021 18:00 |
Thank you ArgyllGran I hadn't got that
So I wonder why Alfred was Young Dollar on the death certicate but Dollar Newman on his death records !!
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Kentishmaid
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1 Aug 2021 18:05 |
Ethel Rose is a strong possibility I think
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KathleenBell
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1 Aug 2021 18:14 |
Registering a death at 17 isn't that surprising. My ancestors were mainly working from 10 or 12 years old by the end of the 1800's and it was legal for boys to marry at 14 at the time of Lucy's death.
Kath. x
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ArgyllGran
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1 Aug 2021 18:32 |
Lucy's first child (1882) is Newman, the second (1885) is Young, and all the younger ones are Dollar, so it looks as if Lucy was with a Mr Young around 1884, and then moved in with Edgar Dollar by 1887.
As his older sister's name was officially Young, and if he was aware that Lucy and Edgar weren't married, perhaps young Alfred thought his mother was also officially Young - and called himself Young when registering to make it sound more respectable. All speculation!
Lucy with her parents in 1871:
Lucy Newman in the 1871 England Census Name: Lucy Newman Age: 8 Estimated Birth Year: 1863 Relation: Daughter Gender: Female Where born: Chilbolton Hampshire England Civil parish: Barton Stacey Ecclesiastical parish: Winchester Town: Newton County/Island: Hampshire Country: England Registration district: Andover Sub-registration district: Longparish ED, institution, or vessel: 2 Household schedule number: 31 Piece: 1240 Folio: 26 Page number: 7 Household Members Age Relationship George Newman 32 Head Sarah Newman 29 Wife Lucy Newman 8 Daughter Mary Ann Newman 6 Daughter Henry Newman 3 Son Alfred Newman 1 Son
She's with Edgar on the 1891 and 1901 censuses. Can't see her in 1881 so far.
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Kentishmaid
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1 Aug 2021 18:34 |
You have a point there Kathleen, I am looking at it through modern day eyes.
Thank you everyone for your input, much appreciated.
Violet was my Dad's birth mother so I have no family members to ask questions of, Edgar seems to have been a very colourful character from what I have found out and ended his days as Town Crier in Stockbridge
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