Genealogy Chat

I'm looking up Eli Murgatroyd b.1853 Brighouse (my ggggrandad). I have found him in census 1881/91/1901. but cannot find him in any previous ones. i obtained his wedding certificates as he was married twice. and one of his eldest sons samuel (b.1874 ada street, saltaire, shipley).birth cert.also Eli's birth cert. which names parents as william and martha savile. found a william murgatroyd and martha 1851 census but thats it have come to a stabdstill and need advise what to do next? any ideas, anyone please get in touch. p.s cant find wedding date either for william and martha.

I found 5 marriages in the name of Eli Murgatroyd on FreeBMD, though obviously not all the same person: Marriages Dec 1861 (>99%) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Murgatroyd Eli Halifax 9a 531 Marriages Jun 1872 (>99%) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Murgatroyd Eli Bradford Y. 9b 135 Marriages Jun 1881 (>99%) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MURGATROYD Eli Keighley 9a 279 Marriages Jun 1884 (>99%) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MURGATROYD Eli Halifax 9a 759 Marriages Sep 1889 (>99%) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Murgatroyd Eli Keighley 9a 323 There are two Eli's born before these dates on FreeBMD, one 1853 in Halifax and one in 1859 in Keighley.

Hi there, Here's William and Martha's marriage: Marriages Jun 1842 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- CROSSLEY John Halifax 22 152 GAUKROGER Thomas Halifax 22 152 MURGATROYD William Halifax 22 152 PICKLES Harriet Halifax 22 152 SAVILL Martha Halifax 22 152 SUMMERSKILL Mary Halifax 22 152 SUTCLIFFE William Halifax 22 152 WOODHEAD Susannah Halifax 22 152

1861 nearest match I can find with mother of Martha Name: Joseph Murgatroyd Age: 9 Estimated birth year: abt 1852 Relation: Stepson Mother's name: Martha Gender: Male Where born: Brighouse, Yorkshire, England Civil parish: Rastrick Ecclesiastical parish: St Matthew Town: Halifax County/Island: Yorkshire Country: England Street address: Occupation: Condition as to marriage: View image Registration district: Halifax Sub-registration district: Rastrick ED, institution, or vessel: 6 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 2 Household Members: Name Age Abraham Murgatroyd 11 Joseph Murgatroyd 9 Benjamin Tyas 13 John Tyas 39 Mariah Tyas 6 Martha Tyas 43 William Tyas 10

Hi Sarah, A way of tracing is to choose a name of a neighbour of the parents and go through 1861 village then 1871 could be he was visiting a neighbour at the time of the census, or staying with another section of the family who could have spelled his name wrong??? Rod

Are these Eli's children, with Sarah Briggs ? 1. Samuel Murgatroyd - International Genealogical Index Gender: Male Birth: 1876 Shipley, Yorkshire, England 2. Joseph Murgatroyd - International Genealogical Index Gender: Male Birth: 1879 Gilstead, Yorkshire, England 3. Mary Jane Murgatroyd - International Genealogical Index Gender: Female Birth: 1874 Shipley, Yorkshire, England 4. Alice Murgatroyd - International Genealogical Index Gender: Female Christening: 05 JUN 1887 Manningham, Yorkshire, England 5. Annie Murgatroyd - International Genealogical Index Gender: Female Christening: 05 JUN 1887 Manningham, Yorkshire, England 6. Arthur Murgatroyd - International Genealogical Index Gender: Male Christening: 05 JUN 1887 Manningham, Yorkshire, England (submitted records so might not be completely accurate).

1851 just for info Name: Abraham Murgatroyd Age: 1 Estimated birth year: abt 1850 Relation: Son Father's name: William Mother's name: Martha Gender: Male Where born: Brighouse, Yorkshire, England Civil parish: Hipperholme Cum Brighouse County/Island: Yorkshire Country: England Street address: Occupation: Condition as to marriage: Disability: View image Registration district: Halifax Sub-registration district: Rastrick ED, institution, or vessel: 2g Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 171 Household Members: Name Age Abraham Murgatroyd 1 Martha Murgatroyd 33 William Murgatroyd 29 John Saville 68 Father-in-law 1871 Name: Joseph Murgatroyd Age: 19 Estimated birth year: abt 1852 Relation: Son-in-law Gender: Male Where born: Brighouse, Yorkshire, England Civil parish: Hipperholme With Brighouse Ecclesiastical parish: Brighouse Town: Brighouse County/Island: Yorkshire Country: England Street address: Occupation: Condition as to marriage: Disability: View image Registration district: Halifax Sub-registration district: Brighouse ED, institution, or vessel: 6 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 161 Household Members: Name Age Abram Murgatroyd 21 Joseph Murgatroyd 19 Benjamin Syas 23 John Syas 47 Martha Syas 51 William Syas 20

Maureen, the 1851 family you list must be correct, because it lists the father-in-law as Mr Saville, and that was Martha's maiden name. So I would think that the others are also correct, and it looks like Martha remarried before 1871 to a Mr Syas. alison

Not convinced that the 1851,1861 and 1871 families are the right ones. Joseph, Abraham and Eli can all be found on the 1881 Maureen

Yes looks like it is the right family, although it's mistranscribed as the marriage is registered as john Tyas: Marriages Jun 1860 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Kershaw Mary Jane Halifax 9a 485 Murgatroyd Martha Halifax 9a 485 Smith John Halifax 9a 485 Tyas John Halifax 9a 485 so it looks like Martha did remarry to a John Tyas. I would bet that this m.cert would show Martha as a widow, late Murgatroyd, formerly Saville, but you could get the GRO to check that.

Hi If the William and Martha are the ones with son Abraham in 1851, then William had died before 1861, as Abraham was living as step-son with John and Martha TYAS. In 1871 they are indexed as SYAS. Eli is not with them in either year. He must be incorrectly indexed, or just missed out. Di

The only Eli born Brighouse 1861 Eli Bentley Samuel,Susey abt 1853 Brighouse, Yorkshire, England Son Bradford Yorkshire 1871 Eli Bentley Samuel,Susy abt 1853 Brighsus Near Halifax, Yorkshire, England Son Bingley Yorkshire Did not find birth or after 1871 Adopted?

Sorry i'm new to the message board thing so thankyou everyone for your help it is really appreciated. Eli 's 1st marriage was at manningham in june 1872. and in 1874 he was living ada street, saltaire, shipley. Just can't understand him not being on 1861/71 census is a mystery. will follow all the leads given and let you all know the outcome. thankyou.

I also looked at the Bentley family in 1861 and 1871. If you go back to 1851 census they do not have any children. The only child ever mentioned is Eli on 1861 and 1871 census. There is a possible marriage for Susannah Saville in Bradford in 1846. One of the possible grooms is Samuel Bentley. Is Susannah a sister of Martha and she adopted Eli. Maureen

1841 a possible Name: Martha Saville Age: 20 Estimated birth year: abt 1821 Household: View other family members Gender: Female Where born: Yorkshire, England Civil parish: Halifax Hundred: Morley County/Island: Yorkshire Country: England Street address: Occupation: View image Source information: HO107/1303/4 Registration district: Halifax Sub-registration district: Northowram ED, institution, or vessel: 11 Folio: 23 Page: 8 (click to see others on page) Line number: 14 GSU Number: 464263 Elizabeth Saville abt 1781 Yorkshire, England John Saville abt 1786 Yorkshire, England Susanna Saville abt 1816 Yorkshire, England Maureen