Genealogy Chat

& probably was, OC. Such a sad story. & rice pudding is one of my favourites!! Ozi.

Charlotte Glad you have found the right one - but how very sad that your Grandfather blamed himself (or anyone else blamed him). Only a child himself, he could hardly have been expected to wonder if there was a hot rice pudding on the floor! If I had been the child's mother, I know who I would have been blaming.... OC

THANKS FOR ALL THE HELP AND ADVICE RECEIVED THE OTHER EVENING FROM ALL THE GENES FRIENDS. I HAVE FOUND MY GRANDAD'S SIBLING, CONFIRMED AS ALFRED HADLEY. WENT TO THE BIRMINGHAM ARCHIVES AND READ THE CORONERS REPORT, CONFIRMED DEATH FROM SHOCK OF BURNS FROM FALLING INTO THE RICE PUDDING THAT WAS LEFT ON THE FLOOR WHILST TURNING THE MEAT IN THE OVEN. THIS HAS SOLVED AND CONFIRMED A FAMILY STORY, BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY THIS CHILD NOW HAS A NAME. A SPECIAL THANK YOU TO BRENDA FOR THE BRILL INFO SHE GAVE ME.

Hi everyone thanks for your great tips and information. I dont live far from Birmingham so I will certainly go and have a look at the record office see if I can find it in a newspaper. I think I will email them today and see what I can find out. Alfred looks very promising I'm excited!

If you go to the Birmingham Local studies and History site you will see that their library holds a lot of newspapers. Of course, you'll need a date to find a report, but the Alfred who died in 1914 looks so likely I think it would be worth searching the third quarter. Do you live in reasonable distance? Sixth Floor Central library Chamberlain Square Birmingham B3 3HQ http://www.birmingham.gov.uk/GenerateContent?CONTENT_ITEM_ID=49095&CONTENT_ITEM_TYPE=0&MENU_ID=13150 You can contact Local Studies and History by Phone: (0121) 303 4549 or 303 4220 Fax: (0121) 303 233 4458 E-mail: local.studies.library 'at' birmingham.gov.uk

I would imagine a coroner's inquest would have been held. Anybody know where such records would have been kept?

Thanks Lunar, Its certainly something I want to solve. My mum never had any contact with her cousins and I have found them on Genes. My mum's cousin said that her father didn't talk much about his family and certainly not my Grandfather (his brother). I think this child dying could be the reason why they didn't stay in touch with eachother. Perhaps it was held against him!

Brenda, Yes I'm going to send for that certificate. I'm also going to mention the name Alfred to the family as these things have a habit of triggering memories once you have a name.

Charlotte Just thought I'd say don't give up hope, you will find the poor mite, even if they are illusive. My granddad's cousin had a sister and I was told she had be scalded to death but we knew nothing about her, I looked at every birth that matched the surname and MMN (this was 1920's) from the parents marriage until the other child of the family was 10 (the mother abandoned her husband and surviving child when the kid was 6). I wventually found her after repeated attemts and got the certificates.

Hi OC, Yes I think I will do that. I think the Alfred in 1913 that Brenda found sounds promising. Although i'm not sure about him only being 1 when he died. It also had GREEN down for the MMN which fits.

I wouldnt have thought it was either of the children who died in 1905, or 1907, because your grandfather would have been too young, really, to blame himself, as he would have been YOUNGER than one of them. Even the one in 1909 is a bit unlikely. But is it possible that more than one child in this family died, thus leading to the confusion about ages? I have family stories where two people have been muddled into one. You could try sending for these from the local RO, stating you only want them if mother's mn is X - local ROs don't normally charge for this. OC

Hi, Yes Julie. Thank you they are possible.

Hi Brenda, Yes certainly looks about right. Well my mum thought the child was still a baby, but other family members thought that he was older when he died. That is certainly an interesting find. Thank You Was that of ancestry? How do you get Mothers Maiden Name info come up on results?

Gail waving to Gerri, Balls are heavy tonight.......x This is a sad story...watching with interest... x

Hi Charlotte, post 1911, mothers maiden names were added to the index, makes life a bit easier, although all records are not fully transcribed, so still some trawling of the complete index to do.

Don't know if this will help these are the deaths of Hadley children aged between 3-5 Deaths Dec 1905 (>99%) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hadley John 4_ Birmingham 6d 4_ Deaths Mar 1907 (>99%) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hadley John William 3 Birmingham 6d 2 Deaths Dec 1909 (>99%) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- HADLEY Albert 5 Birmingham 6d 3

Hi Keith, Thats terrible. poor child. I hate to imagine these things its just horrible. Yes parish records are probably a good option. A relative who incidently I found on Genes, who is my mothers cousin, suggested looking in the papers of that time. She was also told the same story by her father. Would something like this be put in the paper?

Charlotte have i missed his first name?

His birth place is probably Birmingham as this is where the other brothers and sisters were born. There are also two children born before my Grandfather who are on the 1901 census. One born in 1898 and the other 1900.

I would imagine it would have been in the papers, try the main library local to the event, they may well have copies of the papers on microfilm, and may even do a search for you, if lucky, they may find it and forward a copy of the article. It would help if we could find the years of birth and death though, and a first name for him.