Genealogy Chat

This is quite a common thing, I do transcribing for freeBMD and it occurs a lot. it is because a correction has been made. I loked at 2Q 1927 and there is a George E Cook mother's maiden name (Gotts) is on there as this was included by 1927.

This may be a coincidence but Jan 1st 1927 saw the introduction of legal adoption and he may have been informally adopted before ....he would have needed ID to vote at the age of 21, I would have thought, so maybe this is what triggered off the new registration...basically getting his house in order. However the answer is more simple perhaps as he was registered with his mothers name june 1905 as george Gotts...so he was illegitimate, and I presume either his birth parents got married in the meantime or he finally found who his father was and reregistered his name once an adult. So to clarify>>>> sep q 1905 george edward gotts tynemouth 10b 332 original entry (mothers surname) june q 1927 george e cook (gotts) is registered and the entry is inserted in>>>> sep q 1905 under cook so he is basically registered under both surnames in sep quarter 1905.

means march quarter 1943...a new entry will be there

I have the same problem does anybody know what m43 would mean as I think my rellie was also illegitamate I have sent for this cert but do not want to waste a pile of money on certs.

thanks a lot without help from kind people on here we wouldn't get far with our trees

Thanks Ego I can cope with the illegitemate bit, but how likely is it that the birth mother would let the child live with the fathers family, being wife, 5 older children and another one following 2 years later? Jo

There is a marriage registered in Tynemouth district in Sep quarter of 1905 between Joseph Cook and Rachel Agnes G Gotts. If they are George's parents then might they have thought that the registrar would know that they were about to be married and thought that they had better use the 'correct' name? Other than that i suppose the registrar might have made a mistake - it does happen.

yes it looks like the family was just a normal family and he was the first born on the cusp of the marriage .......is there a family photograph with him and his siblings? If you acquire the marriage cert as to Andreas post before this...and purchase the birth cert under the name Gott dates and details will clarify matters-sounds like a shotgun wedding scenario,through pregnancy etc....,or a possible case of him being fathered by someone else outside of the steady courting couple perhaps and Mr Cook has made an honest woman of her so to speak and settled down and taken him on as his own either unwittingly or knowingly........the later correction in 1927 as I say could have been the result of regulations started in that year or something to do with his voting rights....someone with a similar scenario may be able to see something that looks familiar.

Thank you all for your help BUT sadly this marriage in 1905 isn't the one I'm after, I'm not sure this is even the birth I'm after. I've been searching for several years for a George Edward Cook, born 1903. I have his marriage and death certs, both suggesting a birth in 1903. I now also have 1911 census which show him as 7 years old, confirming a birth in 1903 in Gateshead. He is the 6th of a family of 7 children all born in the same area. I have checked out all the George Edward Cook's and all the George Cook's in the area between 1901 and 1905, bought numerous wrong cetificates and still not found the one I'm after. Awaiting the 1905/June1927 birth certificate in the hope that 1905 has been wrongly interpreted and should have been 1903, but I guess its anoth wasted £7. Thanks again for all your advice and thanks for reading this. Jo

Following on from Ego's posting re illegitamcy. The Act came into force in 1926 and the following link explains... http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb(.)com/~framland/acts/1926legitAct.htm Personally I think this is the most likely scenario. Chris

Jo- census and death records can be wrong and are more likely to be innacurate compared to a birth record...the middle name is important, how many other George edwards did you find in this area?

Hi Ego Sadly loads of Edward's, both as forenames and surnames. I've compiled a list of all George Cooks, Edward Cooks, and many other variants. I've scoured the death records and eliminated the ones who died, then ordered the certificates for all thouse left in the area - no luck. I've also spent hours looking who were their neighbours in 1901, just in case there was a flash of inspiration. My Dad has ordered the 1927/1905 certificate. I now have a copy of the 1911 census for the family whci gives his age a 7, surely it would be difficult to get a young childs age wrong by 2 years? Not sure what I would do with my life if grandad's birth was found.... Thanks again for your advice. Jo

Have you tried the local register office? I've read that 1% -2% of records never make it to the national index. I've found that local staff are very helpful and you have his father's name and at least mother's first name. You could always get the birth cert for one of his siblings then you would have his mother's maiden name - if you haven't already:-)

Hi Andrea Thanks for your reply, we have contatced the local offices, the place the family were living seems to be on 'disputed territory' between LRO's. We now have evidence that he is deffinately part of the family from the 1911 census and his place of birth so we can go back to the office concerned. They have been very helpful but the extra evidence may help. I did in fact e-mail the office earlier today following someone else's advice, so waiting for the reply. Thanks again Jo Oh forgot, we do have the siblings certificate and parents marriage ( along with many unwanted certs) but thanks for the tip.