Genealogy Chat

Hey Karen This is the website for Origins (Scottish, Irish, British) but i'm not sure what information is held on there, most of it is the same as IGI. http://www.originsnetwork*com/ Scotlandspeople.gov.uk is the best site for researching Scottish ancestors. Mhairi

Sorry to butt in, but I've never heard of Scots Origins. I've just discovered some Scottish ancestors, and am wondering whether this site contains anything I can't find on Ancestry?

Why don't you try looking to see if they died after 1855 as there will be loads of info on scottish death certificates

Hey Paul Use the IGI to work out when they where all born then take another look at the page of Janet Stirling births. The earlier the birth date then the lower the reference number on the right hand side, near the 'Click to View'. At least thats what i imagine it would be. Either that or try a search under the name Grant and cross reference? Mhairi

thanks mhairi as lucj would have it SP is showing 4 Janet Stirling born in Kirkintilloch in 1855!

Also worth bearing in mind that the OPRs on Scotlands People are the registers of the Established Church ONLY. That rules out a heck of a lot of people. I gather that SP are considering addressing this but obviously it's easier said than done. Denis

This extracted entry into the igi suggests that they wheren't married. If she matches with the census and you think this might be one of their children it might be good to view the image. 1855 certs are vastly different and give a lot of info. JANET STIRLING OR GRANT Female -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Event(s): Birth: 16 JUN 1855 Kirkintilloch, Dunbarton, Scotland Christening: Death: Burial: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Parents: Father: CHARLES STIRLING Mother: ELISABETH GRANT Mhairi

Before 1855 it was not compulsory to 'register' a birth - register not really being the correct word. In the OPR you will mainly find reference to Christenings that took place and if lucky the date of birth as well. Marriage mentions are usually just the date on which the first(or second or third) bannes where read out. And if your really lucky the brides fathers name. Deaths...well there are a few burial records and mort cloth purchases but thats as much as you get. Even after 1855 you arent guaranteed to find a birth/marriage/death because some people did not register them. Either that or they are horribly mis transcribed or even spelt wrong on the oringal copy. Where any of the children born after 1855? (Any in 1855?, thats the best year for certs) The birth certs might show the date and place of the parents wedding. Mhairi

Paul I think you will find it's Jamima/Jemima. Georgina.

Just out of interest then - what sort of name is Jaminia???

Hi Paul not sure if they were required by law to register birth at that time. But someone else will know more than me. You have the birth years of Charles and Elizabeth anyway?? Betty

Info including births from IGI FamilySearch™ International Genealogical Index v5.0 British Isles Family Group Record Search Results | Download Husband Charles Stirling Birth: 06 APR 1821 Kirkintilloch, Dunbarton, Scotland Christening: Marriage: About 1846 Of, Kirkintilloch, Dunbarton, Scotland Death: Burial: Wife Elizabeth GRANT Birth: About 1825 Of, Kirkintilloch, Dunbarton, Scotland Christening: Marriage: About 1846 Of, Kirkintilloch, Dunbarton, Scotland Death: Burial:

yeah but you can still search the OPR on SP, and allthe actual images are now available for the OPR, I can't find Charles Stiling on there either!

Because they are only OPR for that date on SP.

Why can't i find any of these children on Scotlands People?

Your right Betty... 1861 census.. Name: Charles Stirling Age: 36 Estimated birth year: abt 1825 Relationship: Head Spouse's name : Elisabeth Gender: Male Where born: Kirkintilloch, Dumbartonshire Registration Number: 498 Registration district: Kirkintilloch Civil parish: Kirkintilloch Town: Kirkintilloch County: Dumbartonshire Address: Cowgate Occupation: Cotton Weaver ED: 7 Page: 5 (click to see others on page) Household schedule number: 30 Line: 12 Roll: CSSCT1861_68 Household Members: Name Age Catherine Stirling 11 Charles Stirling 36 Elisabeth Stirling 36 Jaminia Stirling 2 Jane Stirling 7 Mary Stirling 19 Georgina.

All children as well as marriage on IGI family Search.

Where did you find those Betty Boo?

Thanks for all the help guys. It would appear that the child found on IGI born in 1842 was born out of wedlock as they did not get married till 1846 - naughty!!

If this is Charles in 1841 it looks like he was married before he married Elizabeth & he lied about his age??? Mary Levinstein abt 1828 Scotland Kirkintilloch Dunbartonshire 498 Mary Pugh abt 1827 Scotland Kirkintilloch Dunbartonshire 498 Andrew Stirling abt 1833 Dunbartonshire, Scotland Kirkintilloch Dunbartonshire 498 Charles Stirling abt 1811 Dunbartonshire, Scotland Kirkintilloch Dunbartonshire 498 Mary Stirling abt 1811 Dunbartonshire, Scotland Kirkintilloch Dunbartonshire 498 Robert Stirling abt 1830 Dunbartonshire, Scotland Kirkintilloch Dunbartonshire 498 Sarah Wilson abt 1831 Scotland Kirkintilloch Dunbartonshire Georgina.