Genealogy Chat

hi all ,i am looking for a marriage between JOHN SAMPSON MILDREN and wife grace,i know they were brn in the mid 1840's and that their oldest 2 daughters were born in st austell c1866 and c1867,the third c1871 in tavistock,after that the other kids are all born in widnes lancs according to the 1881 census,i have gone through the marriages in ancestry and on a cornwall site but cannot find a marriage that fits.unless i missed it i am beginning to think they never officially wed at all,did people do that in those days lol.. anyway does anyone know of any cornish sites i can try out...thanks Barry

what was her maiden name? >> John G Mildren 1866 Jul-Aug-Sep Helston Cornwall Johanna Mitchell 1866 Jul-Aug-Sep Helston Cornwall William Olivey 1866 Jul-Aug-Sep Helston Cornwall >>Grace Pengelly 1866 Jul-Aug-Sep Helston Cornwall ** 1851 neither of these born St austell though Grace Pengelly (Richard,Mary) abt 1847 Madron, Cornwall, England Daughter Morvah Cornwall Grace Pengilly( Alexander,Johanna) abt 1847 St Keverne, Cornwall, England Daughter St Keverne Cornwall 1861 doesn't help either Grace Pengilley (Richd) abt 1846 Madron, Cornwall, England Daughter Camborne Cornwall Grace Pengilly (Alexander,Johanna) abt 1847 St Keverne, Cornwall, England Daughter St Keverne Cornwall

Hi On FreeBMD I could find this :- Sep 1866 John G Mildren md Grace Pengelly (?) Helston 5c 313 Jun 1848 John Mildren m Grace Wills Redruth 9 279 Dec 1865 John Mildern/Milden m Grace Bennett St Austell 5c 224 Also, some births - Jane Mildren b Mar 1866 St Austell 5c 149 Anna Maria Mildren b dec 1867 St Austell 5c 126 Rosina Mildren b Dec 1870 Tavistock 5b 344 I did have a look on freecen to see if they were on the census but couldn't find them on there.. As for sites in Cornwall, can't think of any that would be any more help in this situation than the main sites. Cornwall does have some online parish clerks though, if you knew which parish they got married in? Hopefully someone on here can be of more help than I... Good luck in your search Laura x

They seem to be Daniels in 1871. Beatrice Daniels Age: 5 Estimated birth year: abt 1866 Relation: Daughter Father's name: John Mother's name: Grace Gender: Female Where born: Mount Charnes, Cornwall, England Civil parish: Widnes Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary County/Island: Lancashire Country: England Street address: 24 Gerrard Street Registration district: Prescot Sub-registration district: Farnworth ED, institution, or vessel: 11 Household schedule number: 383 Household Members: Name Age Beatrice Daniels 5 Grace Daniels 24 Hannah M Daniels 3 John Daniels 25 born Callington, Labourer in Copper Works Rose Ann Daniels Under 1 Mo Source Citation: Class: RG10; Piece: 3859; Folio: 42; Page: 76; GSU roll: 841933. Just posting the 1881 census for comparison to see what any one else thinks. John Mildren Age: 35 Estimated birth year: abt 1846 Relation: Head Spouse's name: Grace Gender: Male Where born: Callington, Cornwall, England Civil parish: Widnes County/Island: Lancashire Country: England Street address: 37 Gerrard Street Condition as to marriage: Married Education: Employment status: View image Occupation: Foreman In Copper Works (Manuf) Registration district: Prescot Sub-registration district: Farnworth ED, institution, or vessel: 7 Household Members: Name Age Ann M. Mildren 13 Beatrice Mildren 15 Grace Mildren 34 John Mildren 35 John J. Mildren 5 Lucy Mildren 3 Rossina Mildren 10

Family History Online is a good source of Cornish genealogy. this is the link www.familyhistoryonline.net If it doesn't work just google it. It's pay as you go (£5 minimum I think) but you get a lot of looks for your money. maggie

hi all and thanks so much,sorry it took a while but phone rang just as i was set for a couple of hrs on comp, JESS...have considered these cos they were the only ones i found but on gravestone it says john sampson and not john g...dont know cornwall so wasnt sure if helston was near st austell lol..thanks though LAURA i like the looks of these ,will defo be looking into this info ...thanks GAIL they do this in 1901 too,not sure why unless they are doing a moonlight flit from the rent man or someone else they owe money lol... thanks all of you for your kind efforts....Barry

thanks maggie...Barry

Hi Barry The John and Grace in 1901 seem to have different children If this is him on the 1861 did he get married under the Daniel name John Daniele Age: 15 Estimated birth year: abt 1846 Relation: Son Mother's name: Jane Gender: Male Where born: Callington, Cornwall, England Civil parish: St Austell Ecclesiastical parish: Charlestown County/Island: Cornwall Country: England Registration district: St Austell Sub-registration district: St Austell ED, institution, or vessel: 7d Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 172 Household Members: Name Age Jane Daniele 35 married, husband abroad John Daniele 15 Richard Daniele 8 Sampson Daniele 2 Source Citation: Class: RG9; Piece: 1547; Folio: 127; Page: 32; GSU roll: 542829. Actually says Daniel on image. Gail

aaaaahhhhhhh gail,what are you trying to do to me lol,in 1901 census they have their grandson who is beatrice's son with them and their younger children,the older ones being married themselves (under mildren lol)and having their own homes..i just dont understand all the swapping and changing,it's driving me mad lol...Barry

Is this is anything to do with it - Mother (only possibly) Jane Daniel 1854 Apr-May-Jun St Austell Cornwall Sampson Daniel 1854 Apr-May-Jun St Austell Cornwall Jane Hicks 1854 Apr-May-Jun St Austell Cornwall John Minear 1854 Apr-May-Jun St Austell Cornwall This marriage is after John's birth - so was he a Mildren and his mother, maybe widowed and remarried. Hence John called himself a mix of the two - dependent on who was visiting at the time - I know I am making it up as I go along............. But there are a mix of names in this family........ Gail.

hi gail..are these 2 possible marriages for his mum?and you think he uses daniels when he feels like a change,it's times like this iam sorry i started my tree grrrrr i never used to get headaches ,now i have at least one a week,gonna write all this down and see what others in the family make of it all ,thanks again....Barry

Hi Barry Just wondering if that is the mother - Jane (either Hicks or Daniel) marrying Sampson Daniel - just might possibly account for the different names John used, needs a lot more research obviously - I am pleased to have confused - hope it has helped a bit as well.LOL Gail.

thanks gail,you know i'm sooooooooo glad i asked lol,gnite and thanks....Barry

I just thought you might like to know that you can search the Cornish census online. For instance, I have just been looking for John Mildren in 1841 http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb(.)com/~kayhin/40133b.html