Genealogy Chat

Ive recently acquired a marriage certificate for one of my relatives, however his fathers name is different then what i expected, its roberts. my grandfathers name was rainforth. i dont understand that. When i type in Hugh roberts in ancestry it is not recognised anywhere!!

The info on a marriage cert is only 'as given' by the happy couple........ It may be that his mum told him her little secret just before he got married!! Hve you located his birth cert? Reg

Thats the story ive been thinking. the other idea is that as it says deceased under his name, his mother re-married into the name rainforth hence he inherited it, as his full name is john ford roberts rainforth, it also includes the last name roberts. im just looking for any ideas, but i expect birth certificate is the way to go. the other problem with the marriage certificate is that her fathers name is mentioned and ive found him in the censuses however she is never mentioned as living with him, she is only mentioned years later as a boarder in im taking as a school...???

You don't give any indication of when..........or where........ These births are on the freebmd bit of Ancestry John Ford Roberts 1858 Jul-Aug-Sep Stoke Upon Trent Staffordshire View Record John Ford Roberts 1867 Jan-Feb-Mar Truro Cornwall Reg

The marriage was taken place in Rotherham, 1888. I believe the first BMD record you mentioned is the correct person, however unfortunately on this computer im unable to view them at this time... thankyou

This might be that one in 1861 Name: John F Roberts Age: 2 Estimated birth year: abt 1859 Relation: Nephew Gender: Male Where born: Hadley, Staffordshire, England Civil parish: Brighton County/Island: Sussex Country: England Registration district: Brighton Sub-registration district: The Palace ED, institution, or vessel: 16 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 239 Household Members: Name Age Mary Deadman 20 Servant Thomas Ford 33 Visitor, b. Lancs William Ford 9 Nephew b. Surrey John F Roberts 2 Mary A Roberts 26 Sister in law, b. Halifax. Eliza A Turner 32 Wife, b. Worksop George Turner 40 Head, b. Worksop Eleanor Wright 9 Boarder Marriana E Wright 13 Boarder The image lists Mary as 'married'........... Reg

Mary Ann Ford married Hugh Roberts in Stoke on Trent district JFM 1857 Ref no's 6b/276 Name: Mary Ann Ford Year of Registration: 1857 Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar DISTRICT: Stoke Upon Trent County: Staffordshire Volume: 6b Page: 276 Hugh's side of the entry has not been transcribed.........I checked 1837online and found it there Reg

Thankyou very much! The visitor there Thomas Ford is mentioned on the marriage certificate as one of those 'in the prescense of' people so it does look like this could be the correct person. Thankyou for your help, this gives me something to look for...

My god thankyou, i dont know how you find this all so quickly, your an incredible help!!! im still wondering where the name rainforth has come from though, interesting!

If your mother re-marries you can choose to use you step fathers name -or not- you donthave to- nor do you 'inherit it'

I have sent you a PM Kerry Barbara

Ive also found that if a child is very young when a father dies and the mother remarries the name of his father can be confused by memory. For example John becomes James or something because by then mum is dead and he has no one to ask. Also though step children often adopt the step fathers name on census when it comes to a marriage or army service they always seem to revert to the birth fathers name.

Hi Kerry. Do you think this could be the right people ? I have added the things in ( ) from the actual scan 1871 Census about John Ford Rainforth Name: John Ford Rainforth Age: 12 Estimated birth year: abt 1859 Relation: Son Father's name: John Douge (I think this should be Tonge not Douge) Mother's name: Mary Ann Gender: Male Where born: Henty, Staffordshire, England Civil parish: St Mary Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary County/Island: Somerset Country: England Registration district: Bridgewater Sub-registration district: Bridgewater ED, institution, or vessel: 5 Household schedule number: 15 Household Members: Name Age John Douge Rainforth 31 (head--master Jeweller--Lincoln Lincs) John Ford Rainforth 12 ( son --born Stafford Handley) Mary Ann Rainforth 32 (wife--born Yorks Halifax) Eliza Yendle 38 ( --serv--born Somerset Bridgewater) Source Citation: Class: RG10; Piece: 2386; Folio: 6; Page: 4; GSU roll: 835108. There is a marriage index for March (quarter) 1868 Mary Ann Roberts and John Tonge Rainforth dist Croydon 2a 213 I'm not sure of this because of the district !!! Barbara

I am 100% sure these are the correct people and that she did in fact re-marry. Im relatively new at all this so thankyou to all of you that have helped me.

This seems to be Mary in 1851........either of her marriage certs would cross-refer the father's name and occupation Name: Mary Ann Ford Age: 16 Estimated birth year: abt 1835 Relation: Daughter Father's name: William Mother's name: Mary Ann Gender: Female Where born: Halifax, Yorkshire, England Civil parish: Leeds Ecclesiastical parish: Leeds Town: Leeds County/Island: Yorkshire Country: England Registration district: Leeds Sub-registration district: North Leeds ED, institution, or vessel: 1q Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 18 Household Members: Name Age Martha Ann Blakes 14 Servant Chas Ford 12 b. St George's London John Ford 10 b. St George's London Mary Ann Ford 52 b. Stalybridge Mary Ann Ford 16 William Ford 53 b. Stoke Parish, Staffs....Methodist Minister. Reg