Genealogy Chat

Aaaah! I'll copy and paste I think! thanks for that tip! R x

Then the first one would be more likely. All you need to do when you want to find the thread later is to click on 'View my threads only' and only threads you've replied to will come up... that will make it easier to scan through looking for your name starting the thread. Alternatively, you could copy the info into a word doc.

ooh eck typo city ere for me, need a coffee I think. Josephs eldest son and my great grandad was called Isaac. Thank you for all your help, just hope my thread hasnt disappeared by the time the cert comes! Thank you R x

Joseph's eldest son and my Grandad was called Isaac, maybe thats where the name came from. best not speculate too much more else I'll get told off again, will be good till the cert arrives. Ho Hum!

1861 CENSUS! Name: Joseph Fost (original image is FROST) Age: 7 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1854 Relation: Son Father's name: John Mother's name: Margaret Gender: Male Where born: Salford, Lancashire, England Civil Parish: Salford Ecclesiastical parish: St Bartholomew Town: Salford County/Island: Lancashire Country: England Street address: 20 (something) place Occupation: Condition as to marriage: View Image Registration district: Salford Sub-registration district: Regent Road ED, institution, or vessel: 13 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 44 Household Members: Name Age (((Eliza Brundrett 11 Joseph Brundrett 22 Mary Brundrett 54 Thomas Brundrett 18))) - actually the next address down... someone didn't enter a break or something. Hannah Fost 5 Isaac Fost 11 Jane Fost 20 John Fost 51 John Fost 1 Joseph Fost 7 Margaret Fost 44 Mary A Fost 13 Source Citation: Class: RG9; Piece: 2921; Folio: 76; Page: 9; GSU roll: 543050. ------------------------------- OR also on 1860 Name: Joseph Frost Age: 7 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1854 Relation: Son Father's name: Richard Mother's name: Mary Gender: Male Where born: Salford, Lancashire, England Civil Parish: Salford Town: Salford County/Island: Lancashire Country: England Street address: 10 Blackburn [st?] Occupation: Condition as to marriage: View Image Registration district: Salford Sub-registration district: Greengate ED, institution, or vessel: 31 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 78 Household Members: Name Age Albert Ben Frost 4 Fredrick Frost 2 Joseph Frost 7 Margaret Frost 1 Mo Mary Frost 40 Mary Ann Frost 14 Richard Frost 42 Thomas Frost 16 William Frost 10 Source Citation: Class: RG9; Piece: 2916; Folio: 63; Page: 17; GSU roll: 543049. That's two possibles, you now do need the birth cert lol.

As I said, there is a Joseph Frost, 9, in the one that I posted for 61, but he was not transcribed from the original image (along with two of his younger sisters). He is there, but he won't come up using the search!

No sign of the family on 1851 Tried the wild cards that I could think of too.

And late back on a different line I have had an age wrong by 5 years, but the surname was that rare and the children and wife are right on further census info im sure its him, dunno about this one though. guess ill just have to be patient till the birth cert arrives.

Hi Liz its the Joseph Frost, born 1854 Im trying to trace pre 1881 census. The only Joseph I could find was lodging with a couple who had no children and there was an Edwin frost with him, aged 12. I dont know if Edwin was Joseph's brother or cousin or something as it only gives relation to head of house, not each other. R x

They also missed off Harriet 12mo(? the 2 is funny) and Mary 4. Dunno what was happening with that particular transcriber.

1861 Census, Name: Edwin Frost Age: 16 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1845 Relation: Son Mother's name: Sarah Gender: Male Where born: Manchester Civil Parish: Manchester Ecclesiastical parish: St Matthew Town: Manchester County/Island: Lancashire Country: England Street address: 16 Fleet Street Occupation: Worker in a Manchester Warehouse Condition as to marriage: unm Registration district: Manchester Sub-registration district: Deansgate ED, institution, or vessel: 25 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 15 Household Members: Name Age Edwin Frost 16 Emma Frost 18 (unm [something] spiner Mary Ann Frost 12 (Goes to school) Sarah Frost 40 (mrr, wife, Shirt Maker) Source Citation: Class: RG9; Piece: 2942; Folio: 71; Page: 4; GSU roll: 543053. On the original image, there is an untranscribed 'Joseph Frost 9' listed. I dunno how they haven't transcribed it as it's clear as day. Can send you the image if you need.

If he was born in 1845 then he wouldn't be 8 on the 1861 census. Also, I can see adding a year or two but the Edwin in the other 1871 census is 4 years older than you'd expect. If I were you, I'd wait until you have the birth cert as these could all be nothing to do with your family/or the birth cert might not be him. There are too many discrepencies, I know that there are little things that can change but there just seems too much uncertainty. Edit - just reread and now I'm confused, was Edwin born in 1845 or Joseph? Assuming now that it's Edwin, in 1861 he would be 15/6 not 12, so I would guess that your lodgers might not be your boys after all. But the 1871 with Lydia and family, could well be. Liz

I have an 'edward' (easy mistake to make I expect) Frost in 1871 Name: Edward Frost Age: 22 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1849 Relation: Lodger Gender: Male Where born: Manchester, Lancashire, England Civil Parish: St Peter Ecclesiastical parish: St Peter County/Island: Lancashire Country: England Street address: 39 Blopound/Blopom St/Blofom St? (stupid swirly writing... I trawled back cause the recorder had obviously written it so many times they got lazy, but still couldn't decipher it properly - I've saved the original image if you want to try and work it out) Occupation: Paper [something like Haug**?!] Condition as to marriage: mrr Disability: Registration district: Manchester Sub-registration district: Ancoats ED, institution, or vessel: 11 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 168 Household Members: Name Age Elizth Cook 54 Richard Cook 58 Anne Frost 21 Edward Frost 22 Saml Frost 20 months Source Citation: Class: RG10; Piece: 4029; Folio: 54; Page: 32; GSU roll: 846327.

sorry, got too giddy and didnt read it properly. Lydia being Edwins wife and Joseph aged 4 being his son? Thank you

Pamela You're a star, who's lill Jospeh Frost aged 4 though? I've had two siblings named the same before, but only because the elder ones died at a young age and so the parents have named a sibling a couple of years later the same name, never both alive at the same time before. does it say who Lydia is? that name rings a bell

What about this in 1871 - look who is Edwin's brother Edwin Frost Age: 26 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1845 Relation: Head Spouse's name: Lydia Gender: Male Where born: Lancashire, England, Lancashire, England Civil Parish: St Matthew Ecclesiastical parish: St Matthew County/Island: Lancashire Country: England Street address: Occupation: Condition as to marriage: Disability: View Image Registration district: Manchester Sub-registration district: Deansgate ED, institution, or vessel: 14 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 363 Household Members: Name Age Catherine Casey 15 Edwin Frost 26 Edwin Frost 6 Hannah Frost 1 Joseph Frost 4 Joseph Frost 19 - BROTHER Lydia Frost 27

and it is definately one of the 2 children who are my relatives, not the people who they are lodging with.

Sorry Old Crone, part of it was just me thinking out loud. I know I have to wait for Joseph's birth certificate to come through as Joesph and Edwin may not be brothers as it wouldnt state that on the census info. I was just trying to do a bit more digging whilst I was waiting and I dont have access to the 1871 census or the 1851 census which would help fill in bits of the picture.

Rebecca This won't help you find him or his parents, but don't forget, a census entry is only a snapshot of one night in ten years. The parents may have been away visiting relatives, working in another area, staying with neighbours etc. A 12 year old being at work is not significant then, most 12 year olds would have been working unless the family was very well-to-do. If the parents were dead, then it is possible that the two children had taken lodgings with a neighbour/relative etc. There often turns out to be some sort of family connection if you dig deep enough - a 12 year old would hardly have earned enough to pay board and keep for two, so there may be an element of relationship here. As I said, won't help you find the parents, or even connect these two children to your relative. OC

Hi Pamela Ive found Edward and Mary in the 1861 census with their children, minus Edwin and Joseph, in Ancoats. The have a boarder and a house servant living with them. wonder why two of their sons are lodging elsewhere when one of them is still at school and they have taken in 2 lodgers. Very strange. I have a bit of info about my great grandad father, but nothing about Joseph. Thanks for the info though