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please could any one help I have a marriage cert from GRO but i am trying to get a birth cert the marriage cert says that he is called George Vaudray married 1873 to eugene mary jane benson williscroft he was 24 and she was 22 they married in manchester. I have tryed to get a birth cert from gro and they said a george vaudray was not born at that year so how do i get a birth cert now i am very stuck. What else do i do to get this information could any body help me. I asked for a birth cert for 1850 - 1852 but had no luck

What's his father's name - it's on the MC.

Birth registration wasn't compulsory until 1875..........he may simply not have been registered. You can check this out yourself by going to the Ancestry website, and looking through the images for births.......which are free. But, if he was 24 in 1873, he would have been born in 1848/9..............not later. Reg

1881 census Name: Margaret Vaudray Age: 59 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1822 Relation: Mother in Law Gender: Female Where born: Belfast, Ireland Civil Parish: Manchester County/Island: Lancashire Country: England Street address: Stop House Condition as to marriage: Windower Education: Employment status: View Image Occupation: Cook Registration district: Manchester Sub-registration district: Deansgate ED, institution, or vessel: 14 Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age Annie Vaudray 3 George Vaudray 30 George Vaudray 2 Margaret Vaudray 59 b. Belfast Hannah Yates 6 Mary J. Yates 27 Richard Yates 29 Wonder where his wife was???? Reg

The marriage of his sister........... Mary Jane Vaudray 1873 Oct-Nov-Dec Manchester (1837-1924) Lancashire View Record Richard Yates 1873 Oct-Nov-Dec Manchester (1837-1924) Lancashire Reg

1871 Name: George Vaundoray Age: 21 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1850 Relation: Son Father's name: John Mother's name: Margaret Gender: Male Where born: Manchester, Lancashire, England Civil Parish: Manchester Ecclesiastical parish: St Matthew Town: Manchester County/Island: Lancashire Country: England Street address: Occupation: Condition as to marriage: Disability: View Image Registration district: Manchester Sub-registration district: Deansgate ED, institution, or vessel: 13 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 160 Household Members: Name Age Sarah Parr 39 Anne Vaundoray 14 George Vaundoray 21 John Vaundoray 61 Margaret Vaundoray 49 Address 8 Barton St. John is a Furniture Broker. Sarah Parr abt 1832 Manchester, Lancashire, England Boarder Manchester Lancashire Anne Vaundoray abt 1857 Manchester, Lancashire, England Daughter Manchester Lancashire George Vaundoray abt 1850 Manchester, Lancashire, England Son Manchester Lancashire John Vaundoray abt 1810 Longsight, Lancashire, England Head Manchester Lancashire Margaret Vaundoray abt 1822 Ireland Wife Manchester Lancashire 1861 Margaret now Mary?? Name: George Vandray Age: 10 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1851 Relation: Son Father's name: John Mother's name: Mary Gender: Male Where born: Manr, Lancashire, England Civil Parish: Manchester Ecclesiastical parish: St Matthew Town: Manchester County/Island: Lancashire Country: England Street address: Occupation: Condition as to marriage: View Image Registration district: Manchester Sub-registration district: Deansgate ED, institution, or vessel: 14 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 319 Household Members: Name Age Anna Barnes 43 Ann Dinbalin 27 Samuel Dinbalin 28 Mary Hearisede 30 George Vandray 10 John Vandray 50 Mary Vandray 39 Mary J Vandray 9 Annie Vandrey 4 George Vandray abt 1851 Manr, Lancashire, England Son Manchester Lancashire John Vandray abt 1811 Manr, Lancashire, England Head Manchester Lancashire Mary Vandray abt 1822 Ireland Wife Manchester Lancashire Mary J Vandray abt 1852 Manr, Lancashire, England Daughter Manchester Lancashire

1851 has George as 1 month old, put's birth in 1851. Name: John Vandry Age: 40 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1811 Relation: Head Spouse's name: Margh Gender: Male Where born: Lshire, Longsight Civil Parish: Manchester Ecclesiastical parish: St Andrews County/Island: Lancashire Country: England Street address: Occupation: Condition as to marriage: Disability: View Image Registration district: Manchester Sub-registration district: London Road ED, institution, or vessel: 1ff Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 169 Household Members: Name Age Eliza Helbert 14 George Vandry 1 Mo John Vandry 40 Margh Vandry 30 Address 32 Lomas St. George Vandry abt 1851 Lshire, Manchester Son Manchester Lancashire John Vandry abt 1811 Lshire, Longsight Head Manchester Lancashire Margh Vandry abt 1821 Ireland Wife Manchester Lancashire

Possible for parents marriage? Surname First name(s) District Vol Page -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Marriages Jun 1850 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Barrett John Manchester 20 539 Collins Francis Manchester 20 539 Egan Ann Jane Manchester 20 539 Kelly Mary Manchester 20 539 Mc Ebroy Samuel Manchester 20 539 McElroy Samuel Manchester 20 539 ...........>Parr Margaret Manchester 20 539 Ryan Mary Manchester 20 539 ...........>Vaudrey John Manchester 20 539

Found these on the IGI which is free to search at familysearch.org Children of John Vaudrey and Margaret, think it confirms Margaret Parr as wife given John's middle name. Not sure why John would have been Christened twice though. 1. MARY JANE VAUDREY - International Genealogical Index Gender: Female Christening: 11 DEC 1853 Cathedral, Manchester, Lancashire, England 2. JOHN PARR VAUDREY - International Genealogical Index Gender: Male Christening: 18 SEP 1859 Cathedral, Manchester, Lancashire, England 3. JOHN PARR VAUDREY - International Genealogical Index Gender: Male Christening: 16 OCT 1864 Cathedral, Manchester, Lancashire, England 4. ANN VAUDREY - International Genealogical Index Gender: Female Christening: 26 APR 1857 Cathedral, Manchester, Lancashire, England And the marriage JOHN VAUDREY Male Family -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Event(s): Birth: Christening: Death: Burial: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Marriages: Spouse: MARGARET PARR Family Marriage: 07 MAY 1850 Cathedral, Manchester, Lancashire, England -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Messages: Extracted marriage record for locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the marriage date. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Source Information: Batch No.: Dates: Source Call No.: Type: Printout Call No.: Type: M097892 1846 - 1847 0438208 Film 6900002 Film M097892 1847 0438209 Film NONE M097892 1848 0438210 Film 6900002 Film M097892 1849 0438211 Film NONE M097892 1850 0438212 Film NONE Sheet: 00

Looks like the first John Parr died and they had another son and called his the same name, that explains the 2 Christenings. Deaths Dec 1859 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Vaudrey John Parr Manchester 8d 117 Births Sep 1864 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Vaudrey John Parr Manchester 8d 182 --------------------------------------------------------------------------------