Genealogy Chat

Morning Stephen Think I agree with Alexandra on this one, I would order one of the kids certs and see what Matilda's maiden name is - it is very possible that a registrar would spell it how he heard it and it not be corrected - see where it leads you. regards Looby

If it was Amelia Emma Bird, she is a servant in 1891 for a Caroline E Dean - a 75 year old widow.

yes alexandra that is them edith sarah western is my g/grand mother its just this matilda that has me messed up lol thank you for your help steve

And 1881 Name: Albert Western Age: 8 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1873 Relation: Son Father's name: William Mother's name: Sarah Gender: Male Where Born: Wandsworth, Surrey, England Civil parish: Bermondsey County/Island: London Country: England Street address: 137 Blue Anchor Lane Education: Employment status: View image Occupation: Scholar Registration district: St Olave Southwark Sub registration district: St James Bermondsey ED, institution, or vessel: 16 Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age Jane Golding 17 - Servant Albert Western 8 George Western 6 Samuel Western 4 Sarah Western 34 (no place of birth given) Thomas Western 2 William Western 32 - Mineral Water Manufacturer (no place of birth given) William Western 10 Augusta Williams 32 - (transcription says mother in law but she is actually sister in law born Bath) Source Citation: Class: RG11; Piece: 568; Folio: 77; Page: 56; Line: ; GSU roll: 1341129.

Not sure if you have this already but here is Albert in 1891 - I imagine he has a middle name like John or something. Name: Albert J Western Age: 18 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1873 Relation: Son Father's name: William G Mother's name: Sarah Gender: Male Where Born: Clapham, London, England Civil parish: Bermondsey Ecclesiastical parish: St James County/Island: London Country: England Street address: Occupation: Grocers Porter Condition as to marriage: Education: Employment status: View image Registration district: St Olave Southwark Sub registration district: St James Bermondsey ED, institution, or vessel: 17 Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age Ada E Western 4 Albert J Western 18 Alfred E Western 1 George A Western 15 - Bottler Samuel Western 14 - Grocers Porter Sarah Western 46 b. Bath Thomas H Western 12 Walter Western 10 William G Western 42 - Engine Driver b. Bath Somerset Source Citation: Class: RG12; Piece: 377; Folio 52; Page 47; GSU roll: 6095487.

Well I've had a look at the 1901 image and it does say Matilda. Steve, you have to not be so rigid on spellings of surnames. I think you need to remember that not all people knew exactly how to spell back then and that if they weren't sure themselves, they wouldn't know whether to correct it on a register for a marriage or birth etc. I think your best bet would be to order a birth cert for one of their children to find her maiden name - then see if any of the Matilda's from the possible marriages match up with her. Births Jun 1892 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Western Florence Phoebe A St. Olave 1d 275 Births Jun 1894 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Western Edith Sarah St.Olave 1d 241 Births Sep 1896 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Western Albert William St. Olave 1d 244 Births Dec 1898 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Western Beatrice Matilda St Olave 1d 228 Births Dec 1900 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Western Samuel Reuben St. Olave 1d 229

ok thank you very much looby steve

That is right Stephen but unfortunately am just heading out the door - if noone has had a look when I come back, I will check it for you

looby i think this is the info you asked for about the census 1901 i am new so i might be wrong with this ok class:RG13;piece:393;folio:114;page48

hi julie the name is western not weston i know if said it would sound like that lol but thank you for trying steve ok thank you all for trying to help me with this little puzzle lol will have to see if i can get 1 of the kids birth certs lol thanks again regards steve

Think you might have cracked it Julie - well done!! Trudy

maybe she was just known as matilda?, I have instances like that in my tree.

2 possibles? Marriages Jun 1886 BARNETT Matilda Stoke T. 6b 241 Jones Harvey Stoke T 6b 241 Weston Albert Stoke T 6b 241 or Marriages Dec 1897 Ackred Emma Shoreditch 1c 154 GOLLEDGE John Alfred Shoreditch 1c 154 JONES Matilda Shoreditch 1c 154 Weston Albert Richard Shoreditch 1c 154

Think you're going to have to order one of the kids certs to find her maiden name then try again. What's the census ref, do you want us to have a look at it to make sure you're reading it right. regards Looby

ancestry jenny you dont think that matilda could be a mistake and is should say on the census amelia

thank you looby but the 1901 census is the right 1 the kids all match the only thing that is strange is this matilda lol steve

where did you get that reference number from steve?

Hi Steve Presume the below is what you are seeing: Surname First name(s) District Vol Page -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Marriages Dec 1891 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bird Amelia Emma St. Olave 1d 558 Crook Emma St. Olave 1d 558 James George Frederick St. Olave 1d 558 Western Albert John St. Olave 1d 558 Where did you get the reference from initially? Do you have any children for them - if you order one of their birth certs it will give you Matilda's maiden name then you can have another look. the other alternative is that there is another Albert Western - try looking on the 1901 for him with one of these other women, that would then rule this reference out. Regards Looby PS - have just had a look, no trace of Albert or Amelia on the 1901 but Emma is living as Emma James, happily married to George Frederick in Hackney.

well i have found albert married 1891 4quart vol 1d page 558 they were married in st olaves but the 2 other ladys names are not matilda ?? steve

It could be that the marriage you are looking for has not been added to the website as yet. I have just checked and couldnt find one, otr they could be mistranscribed. You could try on Ancestry where you can look for them quarter by quarter if you know a year then it will be easier if you dont it could take ages to find them Good luck Julie