Genealogy Chat

Thanks for trying to help Enjoy lunch............. Happy hunting

Got to go now...........nearly lunchtime. Hope you solve the puzzle. Reg

To be honest Reg I wasn't sure this was her. Still not but will have to do some more digging

I'm not sure why you say you don't know about her birth..........the two censuses agree she was born in Hackney; the only discrepancy is the year...........1862 or 1864. Reg

Reg Thanks for looking I know nothing about that area at all so not sure either but will look into it All my nan could tell me was that Leonard was born within the sounds of the bow bells But then she also told me that he was born in 1899 which I discovered yesterday was wrong when she produced the birth cert Just goes to show unless you have proof nothing is certain

How about this one for Walter in 1881? I know very little about Essex, so don't know how the birthplaces tie up.....or not Name: Walter J. Barker Age: 21 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1860 Relation: Son Father's name: John C. Mother's name: Sarah Gender: Male Where Born: Felsted, Essex, England Civil parish: North Ockendon County/Island: Essex Country: England Street address: Lower Farm House Education: Employment status: View image Occupation: Ag Lab Registration district: Orsett Sub registration district: Grays ED, institution, or vessel: 1 Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age Ann M. Barker 12 Charles H. Barker 16 John C. Barker 50 Sarah Barker 54 Walter J. Barker 21 Reg

Think you got it Birth cert say's Gardner ( jobbing ) When do the census take place? month?

The second initial for Walter in 1891 is 'J'.on the image. Address is 24, Goldsmith Road His occupation is gardener............what is Leonard's father's occupation (on the birth cert)? Reg

That's what I thought but can't seem to find any other Nan can't remember any Uncles or Aunts other than Harold A pretty comman name one thinks

The 1881 marriage can't be the one you want........unless they lied about being married for 1881 census Reg

I'm trying to find a birth yr And possibly who else she married

So, what else do you need? You seem to have all the census info from when the marriage occurred............ I'm not clear about what you are asking for........... Reg

Sorry Reg Barker I have birth cert Not really with it........bad night

Leonard Alfred.........?????surname????? Reg

Reg Have that marraige but given I have no way of knowing I only listed it as a possible in 1881

Leonard Alfred b 30/05/1901 reg june q Hendon Middlesex Address of residence date of b reg is 179 Canterbury rd. this could be them alreday married (recently?) in 1881 1881 England Census Record about Walter Baker Name: Walter Baker Age: 21 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1860 Relation: Head Spouses's Name: Sarah Gender: Male Where Born: London, London, Middlesex, England Civil parish: St John Hackney County/Island: London Country: England Street address: 308 Wick Road Condition as to marriage: Married Education: Employment status: View image Occupation: Carman Registration district: Hackney Sub registration district: South Hackney ED, institution, or vessel: 17 Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age Sarah Baker 20 Walter Baker 21 Source Citation: Class: RG11; Piece: 317; Folio: 107; Page: 3; Line: ; GSU roll: 1341068. This looks a possible in 1891. 4 children alive including twins. Can't look at image at moment to check his middle initial. 1891 England Census Record about Walter L Barker Name: Walter L Barker Age: 29 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1862 Relation: Head Spouses's Name: Sarah M Gender: Male Where Born: Bardfield Saling, Essex, England Civil parish: Islington Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary Town: London City County/Island: London Country: England Street address: Occupation: Condition as to marriage: Education: Employment status: View image Registration district: Islington Sub registration district: Islington South ED, institution, or vessel: 28 Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age Ernest W Barker 4 Florence E Barker 6 Maud G Barker 4 Sarah M Barker 27 Walter L Barker 29 Walter W Barker 2 Source Citation: Class: RG12; Piece: 170; Folio 139; Page 21; GSU roll: 6095280. Same poeple in 1901? 1901 England Census Record about Walter J Barker Name: Walter J Barker Age: 41 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1860 Relation: Head Spouses's Name: Sarah M Gender: Male Where born: Gt Bandfield, Essex, England Civil parish: Hampstead Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary Kilburn County/Island: London Country: England Street address: Occupation: Condition as to marriage: Education: Employment status: View image Registration district: Hampstead Sub-registration district: Hampstead ED, institution, or vessel: 32 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 195 Household Members: Name Age Gladys A Barker 1 Horace E Barker 5 Lily J Barker 3 Sarah M Barker 39 Walter J Barker 41 Source Citation: Class: RG13; Piece: 125; Folio: 27; Page: 45.

This may be the marriage to which you allude.........however, no mention of Walter in the groom's details, nor of Mary in the bride's John Barker 1881 Jul-Aug-Sep Bethnal Green Greater London, London, Middlesex View Record Lewis Bye 1881 Jul-Aug-Sep Bethnal Green Greater London, London, Middlesex View Record Eleanor McCormack 1881 Jul-Aug-Sep Bethnal Green Greater London, London, Middlesex View Record Sarah Overy 1881 Jul-Aug-Sep Bethnal Green Greater London, London, Middlesex Reg

Start with what you know............. What was the name of the child born 1901? Do you have the full name of its father? Where was this woman living in 1901? You should be able to find her on the 1901 census, then work back from there. If you want help, you're going have to be a bit more informative..........we can't work on scraps. Reg

I know she married a Walter John Barker possibly in 1881 but if she married more than once I'm not entirely sure this is correct

Sounds like a long trawl through the BMD's on Ancestry for you! Was that her married name?