Genealogy Chat

I HAVE BEEN TRYING TO FIND MY GREAT GRANDFATHERS MARRIAGE CERTIFICATE AS I NEED MY GREAT GRANDMOTHERS MAIDEN NAME BUT I AM JUST COMING UP AGAINST A BLANK WALL ANY IDEAS???? THERE NAMES ARE GEORGE MALYON AGE 21 ON THE 1881 CENSUS, ELIZABETH MALYON AGE 19 ON 1881 CENSUS THEY LIVED IN LEVER STREET, LONDON. PLEASE SOMEONE HELP. BERYL.

Posting census info....so we have birthplace details (vital) Elizabeth Malyon George abt 1862 St Lukes, Middlesex, England Wife St Luke London George Malyon Elizabeth abt 1860 Holloway, Middlesex, England Head St Luke London Can I ask you please not to post your messages in upper case............hard on the eyes, for one thing; and also, in some quarters, it is construed as shouting. Thanks Reg

You have given names from the 1881 Census and I hope that you are confident in this couple being those that you are really seeking. I can see that there were only 4 George Malyon in the age group and one you have selected is only one with wife Elizabeth. Closest I can find as far as Marriage is concerned is in 1877 when a George married Eliza Warman in Ware, Herts. so that is speculation. I think that you need to identify one of their children in a later census 1891 or 1901 in order to pinpoint the couple that you need. any children that you know of ??

Haev you looked at the images on Ancestry? All bmd's are free on the site.......... Reg

Given his age in 1881 and the fact that there are no children suggests that he is probably only recently married. I wonder if they might not have tied the knot yet and were just living together in 1881? There is a possible marriage in 1883 if that is the case... View Record Sarah Ann Francis 1883 Oct-Nov-Dec Holborn London, Middlesex View Record Elizabeth Johnson 1883 Oct-Nov-Dec Holborn London, Middlesex View Record George Malyon 1883 Oct-Nov-Dec Holborn London, Middlesex View Record William Nuttall 1883 Oct-Nov-Dec Holborn London, Middlesex

1891 census.......... Name: George Malyon Age: 30 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1861 Relation: Head Spouses's Name: Elizabeth Gender: Male Where Born: Holloway, London, England Civil parish: St Luke Ecclesiastical parish: St Matthews Town: London County/Island: London Country: England Registration district: Holborn Sub registration district: Old Street ED, institution, or vessel: 10 Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age Elizabeth Malyon 29 Elizabeth Malyon 9 George Malyon 30 George Malyon 7 Kate Malyon 2 Rose Malyon 4 Birth cert for any of the offspring will tell you Elizabeth's maiden name This may well be one of them.......... Name: Rose Malyon Year of Registration: 1886 Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep District: Holborn County: London, Middlesex Volume: 1b Page: 738 Reg

Is this them in Holborn in 1891? Their oldest child was not born till c1882 so perhaps they delayed the marriage until after the child was born... Name: George Malyon Age: 30 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1861 Relation: Head Spouses's Name: Elizabeth Gender: Male Where Born: Holloway, London, England Civil parish: St Luke Ecclesiastical parish: St Matthews Town: London County/Island: London Country: England Street address: Occupation: Condition as to marriage: Education: Employment status: View image Registration district: Holborn Sub registration district: Old Street ED, institution, or vessel: 10 Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age Elizabeth Malyon 29 Elizabeth Malyon 9 George Malyon 30 George Malyon 7 Kate Malyon 2 Rose Malyon 4 I would buy one of the children's birth certificates - your grandfathers perhaps? This will give you the mother's maiden name and might help identify the marriage (if there was one). Lyla

I agree that you should get the cert of one of the children - George born 1883/4 (your grandfather maybe ?) and that will show name of the mother. Note that if she was married to George by the 1881 census then as she was under 21 she would have had to get parents permission; by waiting till 1883 she had become 'of age'.