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Can any one help please. I have found Stephen Welling on the 1881 census m to Ann Taylor with daughter Eliza 2 months in Deptford. Ann unfortunately died in 1884 aged 24. I believe Stephen to be the same age. In 1885 Stephen then married Rosina Baker. I have found the couple with their son Stephen in the 1891 and 1901 census. But Eliza is nowhere to be found in the 1891 census. By 1901 she was married. I know Stephens father was called William (and Anns father was also called William)and he had a brother Daniel. Stephen, Ann and Rose were all Hawkers. and as far as I can find were always living in and round the Greenwich and deptford areas. Not only can I not find Eliza in the 1891 I cannot find Stephen before the 1881 census. They have occurred so far as Welling andWillings Any help or suggestions would be grateful Thanks Chris

HI I have found this close match in the 1861 census, This could be your Stephen with his mum and sister, This famiy unit were in the Greenwich Union Workhouse in 1 Eliza Wellen* 32 born Watford Essex Hawker Married Martha '' 8 born Deptford Stephen '' 1 month born Greenwich Not sure it helps Wendy

Name: Stephen Welling Age: 21 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1860 Relation: Head Spouses's Name: Annie Gender: Male Where Born: Greenwich, Kent, England Civil parish: Deptford St Paul County/Island: London Country: England Street address: Hales Street Condition as to marriage: Married Education: Employment status: View image Occupation: Hawker Registration district: Greenwich Sub registration district: St Paul Deptford ED, institution, or vessel: 4 Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age Abigale D. Ruthbilling 26 Annie Welling 23 Eliza Welling Stephen Welling 21 View Original Record View original image View blank form Save This Record Attach this record to a person in your tree as a source record, or save for later evaluation. Save Source Citation: Class: RG11; Piece: 701; Folio: 75; Page: 11; Line: ; GSU roll: 1341164. Ref for others looking Fuzzy x

Strange how he gets younger through the census! I suppose those he is only fitting with everybody else. Can I ask, who is it that has a brother called Daniel? I got lost in your message. Wendy

Hi Wendy That is really interesting about the workhouse. It is a possibility. Daniel was Stephens brother. Sorry just reread my message and it is a bit confusing isnt it. Thanks Chris Thanks Fuzzy - I have them in the 1881 but again I must apologise for confusing everyone.

Hi Christine, I thought I would just post the 1881 census with all the ref nos in case others wanted to have a look. Not having any luck finding Stephen before 1881, or eliza in the 1891, tried allsorts of spellings!!! Fuzzy x

Do you know when Daniel was born and where? Do you already have a sighting of him to show the relationship between the two of them? Wendy

Have you ruled this one out on 1891? Name: Eliza Wellings Age: 10 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1881 Relation: Daughter Mother's name: E Gender: Female Where Born: Westminster, London, England Civil parish: St John the Evangalist Westminster Ecclesiastical parish: St John County/Island: London Country: England Registration district: St George Hanover Square Sub registration district: St John Westminster ED, institution, or vessel: 6 Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age John Dobson 20 E Wellings 57 Eliza Wellings 10 Mary Ann Wellings 11 Source Citation: Class: RG12; Piece: 78; Folio 155; Page 6; GSU roll: 6095188 Just wonder if grand daughter rather than daughter. Suppose it is not impossible given the age of the head. Maureen

Hi Everyone Sorry I haven’t been able to get back earlier. I started question at work and now I am home my daughter has commandeered the pc. So can only get back on when she takes a break. Wendy Daniel birth – 1881 & 1901 = 1858 1891 = 1861 Daniels marriage cert says 1858. father William Welling – Occupation Porter In the 1881 he says born Katherines Dock, Tower Hill – on all the rest he says Deptford/Greenwich. Yvonne They both look very interesting. I will definitely be checking them out. Maureen Again another one to check out. Thanks for checking Fuzzy . Chris

The 1891 census showing an Eliza with a Mary Ann Wellings is not the one there parents are shown as George aged 45 Ester aged 42 with some Dobson members as well If you put Mary A Wellings born 1879* Westminster into the 1881 you will see what I mean. Wendy

Just to add The 1861 showing Stephen age 4months is the same as the one that I posted only difference is the image says 4 and 1 month I just couldn't make my mind up on it. I now have found Daniel/Dannal in the 1881 through to the 1901 census. I notice Susan* is shown as being the wife of Dan* even though they didn't marry til *82 I have been trying to find the connection with the John and Mary Parrow( not hundred % sure on their surname ) with whom the children of Daniel and Susannah Welling listed as Nephews. Have you any ideas on that one? Wendy

Thanks Wendy Have checked out Mary A and understand what you are saying. But guess what everyone!! I have just found a birth for a Stephen Wellin on Ancestry Feb, Mar, Apr 1861 in Greenwich. This would tie up the Stephen in the workhouse in Greenwich in the 1861 census taken in April. Which would make his Mother Eliza From Watford. What do you think?

I agree with you there christine. In fact I would be tempted to verify it by asking at the relevent office to double check that William appears as his father, because if it does and Daniel as seen in the later census has the same father it makes me wonder where the H*** they both are in the 1861 that Stephen and his mum appear Wendy

Quite agree there Wendy She doent say she is widowed so he must have left her there with two children but where are the others? Have ordered certificate - maybe it will help. These Welling/s /Wellin/Wellen /Willin/s if only they could read and write my life would be so much easier. I'm sure that is why I cant find Eliza 1891 Thanks everyone Chris