Genealogy Chat

Hi All I've got the ominous task of tracing a Jones line (my maiden name). I've got the death cert for my g-grandad who was George Samuel Jones. According to the death cert he was born 16/04/1892 in Leek, Staffs and died 18/07/1951 in Pendleton, Salford. I have recently signed up on Ancestry and can't find any trace of him, not even his death! Can anyone shed any light or give me tips on what to do next? Is it possible that his birthplace is incorrect on the death certificate? Thanks in advance for any tips!

Hallo Jennifer I am very surprised that you have a birth date on a death cert from 1951. I understood that birthdates were only included on death certs from 1969 onwards. As to accuracy of information, the info on any certificate is only as good as a) the knowledge of the informant and b) the recording by the registrar My own grandfather's death cert - 1972, registered by my uncle - has his birthdate incorrect by a year and his birthplace as Rencome instead of Rendcomb. nell

Found this birth, is dudley near Leek? Name: George Samuel Jones Year of Registration: 1893 Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun District: Dudley County: Staffordshire, Worcestershire Volume: 6c Page: 43 (click to see others on page) Fuzzy x

If you do have his death cert and it IS 1952 then you should be able to find it on the COMPLETE death index images on ancestry (not the transcribed records). But if you aren't certain, I suggest you look at your father's birth cert. This will have Grandad Jones and Mrs Jones with maiden name. You can then find their marriage which will give Granddad Jones' age and his father's name and occupation, which should make it easier to trace him on 1901 census. nell

There is a death entry for a George Jones in Salford in the september quarter 1951 but he was 81 when he died ref no:10f-352. Georgina.

Leek has its own registration district. But its possible that your grandfather wasn't born with the date you have, or that he wasn't born in Leek. What certificates do you have concerning him and what do they say?

Think nell has it spot on, you need to look at your fathers birth cert to get your grandmothers maiden name, then look for the marriage of your grandparents, this will give you their parents names then you can track them on the census. Fuzzy x

The only document I have is the certified copy of an entry of death certificate which was issued 19/07/1951 and has the date and place of birth written on it. My grandfathers brother, James Arthur Jones, registered the death. My grandfather was also George Samuel Jones born 05/01/1917. I know of his last address when he died, and also know from my grandfathers marriage certificate of a previous address where he had a grocers shop. This address is the one which appears on my grandparents marriage certificate (percy st Salford). Why can't I have a nice unusual surname to trace!!??

just to clarify - I have the details for my grandad, it's my great-grandad with the same name that I'm struggling with as all I have is his death cert and the entry on my grandads marriage cert.

Oops - dodgy writing - the 7's look like 5's, so it's 1971 not 1951!!!

So do you not have your grandads birth cert? If you do will know the maiden name of your g gran and then search for the marriage of your g grandfather and g grandmother, this will help you find them on the census and it will also give you their fathers name and occupations (hopefully) Fuzzy x have to go out now but will check back later and see how you are getting on.

My grandads birth cert is only the basic one which doesn't list his parents details. I know his parents were married in Salford at St Bartholomews in 1911, but don't know the date. His mother was Alice Jones, nee Hough born 04/09/1892 and died 29/04/1974. I have found her on the census, it's just George Samuel Jones snr born 1892 that I'm struggling with! It doesn't help that I don't know any of his parents/siblings names. Thanks for all the help/suggestions so far

Thanks fuzzy - I might nip up tho the registrar office (not today) and see what they've got.

Just a quickie before I head out!! You need to find the marriage of Alice Hough and George Samuel Jones senior, this will give you George Samuels fathers name and hopefully help you find him on the census Fuzzy x

Hi Jennifer, Just had a little look on ancestry and found the marriage for you. ******View Record Alice Hough 1911 Jul-Aug-Sep Salford Greater Manchester, Lancashire ******View Record George S Jones 1911 Jul-Aug-Sep Salford Greater Manchester, Lancashire View Record Simeon Pointon 1911 Jul-Aug-Sep Salford Greater Manchester, Lancashire View Record Fred Ripley 1911 Jul-Aug-Sep Oldham Greater Manchester, Lancashire View Record Edith Walker 1911 Jul-Aug-Sep Salford Greater Manchester, Lancashire Name: Alice Hough Year of Registration: 1911 Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep District: Salford County: Greater Manchester, Lancashire Volume: 8d Page: 130 (click to see others on page) The ref nos above are what you need to order the cert Fuzzy x