Genealogy Chat

Looking for the Marriage of William Teer to Lillian Elizabeth Taylor, about 1892 ( when first child was born), He was 40, she was 20 in 1901 census. Any help much appreciated. Jackie OOps...she was 30, not 20... j Update....I have found another William Teare born 1861 whose father ws a carpenter named John. William was born manchester, John born IOM. Mother Isabella b. IOM. according to 1871 Census. Found them again in 1861 England census.( Though mistranscribed by Ancestry is Jenbella). Found marriage on GRO ( maiden name Taggart ) married 1851. Trouble is census was taken 1851, (march) and cant find the 1851 census record? Am I dumb or what? My FIL said they came from IOM mid 19th century, so this could be a match too.........bummer just ordered certs for all the others. Any help appreciated. Jackie

Jacqueline Where have you looked so far? The GRO marriage index images are free to search on Ancestry.

Hi Helen, Looked on ancestry but all I get is free bmd...and doesnt show spouses...so not sure how to proceed. jackie

have you any idea where abouts in Manchester.....Hayley

They were living at 50 margaret st, Ashton under Lyne, Ecclesiastical Parish Ashton under Lyne St Peter in 1901. J

Maybe a bit later than you were thinking of - Marriages Jun 1915 Taylor Lilian Salford 8d 263 Teer William S Salford 8d 263 I recently found one of mine marrying 36 years after the birth of their first child!!!

Would that possibly mean that Lillian was a second wife. Children on census were James 1892, Lillian 1895, Ethel, 1898. Frank ( my husbands g/father was born 1904 ). Frank JNr. my husbands father recallls his g/mother as Lillian taylor. Seems strange to marry 23 yrs after first born?? Jackie

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Would that possibly mean that Lillian was a second wife. Children on census were James 1892, Lillian 1895, Ethel, 1898. Frank ( my husbands g/father was born 1904 ). Frank JNr. my husbands father recallls his g/mother as Lillian taylor. Seems strange to marry 23 yrs after first born?? Jackie

Jackie, Do you have the family in 1891? Was William married before? Rose

Hi Portland Rose, yes I found them in 1891, RG 13/3782 Same address.James was only 1 month old. Jackie Actually just checked again...address was 18 Collyhurst St. Manchester...or at least it looks like Collyhurst. J

Jackie, Do you have the births for Lilian, James and Frank? I found Ethel but don't see theirs? Were they born with different surnames? Rose

Hi Rose, Sorry had to take a break for a bit ( laundry ). Where did you find ethel's birth? I dont have anything on the others apart from Frank, b. Manchester 22/3/1904. Frank's birth could not be verified cause they could never find a birth cert. Ive been looking for years and only just last week found them all( except Frank ) in 1901 census, mis transcribed as Teen. Ive been suspecting for a while that the first 3 kids were from a different marriage and Frank was born to Lillian. But 1891 census has James as son to Lillian name leo on census...so perhaps Im wrong. So different surnames dont really work unless they were illegitamate? My husbands father has had 3 stokes in past yr and really cant fill me in on any more. Besides I am in Australia and he is in Sark, Channel Islands, so not much more can be revealed. Quite a tricky one I'm afraid! jackie

Jackie, I though this might be Ethel: Births Mar 1898 Teer Ethel Chorlton 8c 915 Perhaps not if the other weren't registered. Do you have William in 1881? Rose

Rose, yes that could be Ethel. Yes I have him in 1881 census living with his Mother Elizabeth ( no Husband but not a widow). william was 21 siblings Jane 19, Frank 17, John 16, Alice 12, mary 9, Joseph 7, James S 8 mths. Jackie

OK, So here's James AKA Leo Births Jun 1891 Teer Leo Manchester 8d 295 He's listed as James Leo in 1901. Rose

Still don't see them in 1881. What's the address? Rose

I don't know if this will be of any use, but I managed to locate the 1881 census for the family on Ancestry. They are listed as Tear not Teer, all living at: - 184, Corporation Street, Cheetham, Manchester Elizabeth Tear - abt1842 aged 39 - married William - abt1860 aged 21 - Joiner Jane - abt1862 aged 19 Frank - abt1864 aged 17 John - abt1865 aged 16 Alice A - abt1869 aged 12 Mary E - abt1872 aged 9 Joseph - abt1874 aged 7 James S All form Manchester. I also found the 1891 census with Leo Teer 1mth, Lillian 24 and William 29. All from Manchester. Can't seem to locate the 1901 though and I had it on 'soundex'. I also found the marriage you mentioned William H Teer & Lillian Taylor In Salford in 1915, either registry office or registrar attended. I found it on lancashirebmd.org.uk. So perhaps you can send off for it. I then tried looking for an Elizabeth who married a ? Teer. Took a risk and went from 1852-1863. I found 2: - Elizabeth Fearnhead married a William Teer in 1856 @ St Simon, Salford. Elizabeth Dunn married a Joseph Teer in 1857. Salford registry office/registrar attended. I don't know if any of this will help. Hope it does

Jackie, Are you sure about Frank's year of birth because there's this? Births Jun 1902 TEER Frank Salford 8d 4 Rose

Yes I found it on Ancestry. It is the 1881 census and he is listed as the son of Elizabeth, so he will be William's brother. Elizabeth is the head and all the rest are her children. You may have found Frank Teer brother of James born 1892, Lillian born 1895 and Ethel born 1898 as mentioned before.