Genealogy Chat

nudge another dilemma.LOL

Thanks Shirley, My tree is rather large too, but not complete. This family has eluded me for years but thanks for you help, I have made somewhat of a break through.. And cripes I havent even started on the Scottish and Irish sides yet.LOL! Good luck with your tree too! Jackie

I do hope things work out for you Jaqueline I don't spend all my time on the site. I just pay visits now and again. I haven't bothered with the 'community' section before, but I decided to take a look and noticed you needed a bit of help. So I went to see what I come come up with to add to the help you'd had already. My tree on genes is more like a 'world tree'. My own family side of the tree hasn't been going too clever really and I'm waiting for certs myself to fill in the blanks. I can't even find my granddad's marriage on lancsbmd. I regularly check to see if it has been added, but as of yet no luck. Good luck to all on genes. Hope your trees blossom and continue to grow healthy.

Hi everyone, Ive ordered some certs, was wondering if anyone could find Lilian's birth. 1895. Thanks heaps Jackie

Hi Merry, That kinda makes sense doesnt it.. Thrown another spanner in the works, tho! LOL!.... Its amazing Ive been trying to figure this bunch out for about 10 years now. In the last week and with help from you wonderful Professionals here at Genes, Ive uncovered a lot. Thanks for the info about GRO, now I'll go and order the cert. Stay tuned everyone...when I get the cert we may uncover this mystery!! Gosh I love this site. Jackie

Hi Shirley, wow that is late...no way I could be up that late. I spend about 3-4 hrs each am on this genealogy, then give up to do housework...LOL! J

Portland Rose posted: Births Jun 1891 Teer Leo Manchester 8d 295 If this is the birth you mean, the GRO ref is the Volume Number (8d) and the Page Number (295) You asked why they wouldn't marry when a previous spouse was alive (possibly)?........Well it would be illegal! Bigamy was fairly commonplace compared to today because divorce was not something easy to accomplish.........but some people preferred to ''live in sin'' than commit a crime, so they might wait and, if a previous spouse died, get married afterwards! This might be what happened with your couple. My hubby's gg-grandfather married in 1839 and left his wife in 1845(ish)....he got through two more ''wives'' (no ceremony, but eash called themselves Mrs X) before his real wife died in 1879. He then married his fourth ''bride'' (really second) in 1880. Merry

I live in Wigan, Lancashire, England and it's 1:16am here

Must be very late over there...you people really must be addicts! LOL! Its only 10 am here. Just tried registering at the GRO for Leo's birth cert, but they want the GRO index..where do I find that? Jackie

Shirley, Im pretty sure that they were not Catholic. My FIL has some written notes which says they were Wesleyan, at least Lillian was. Funny thing is he recalls that the family came from the Isle of Man ' sometime in the middle of the 19th century ', but since Ive got them back to 1841, all born Manchester, this would be impossible. Oc's suggestion seems more likely, but why on earth would they not marry just because previous spouse is still alive? Seems odd to me. Jackie

I found this on the lancs web site about payment. POSTAL APPLICATIONS If you apply by post please complete this form and enclose a stamped addressed envelope and the appropriate fee in sterling. Information about the cost of certificates may be obtained from any register office. All remittances should be made payable to the appropriate authority as given here and cheques should be crossed '/& Co/' Do not send cash. This application form should be sent to the Superintendent Registrar of the district where the marriage occurred. Do not use this form for making applications to the REGISTRAR GENERAL. I was wondering if it could be possible that William and Lillian married before James was born and if it is possible that it was a Catholic wedding? Would it be also possible that they could have left it until years later to get the marriage confirmed? If I'm not mistaken weren't Catholic marriages not classified as legal unless you had it confirmed by a registrar? Could this explain the lateness in marriage? Do you mean if the children attended the marriage? If so then they would only appear on the marriage cert if the were witnessess. If they aren't old enough I shouldn't think they would be on the cert. My marriage certs only list fathers name and occupation and the witnesses involved as well as the registrar - if in attendance

Hi OC. Thanks for that. Interesting if previous spouse was still alive........How would I find that info? Just been to lancs BMD but cant find any of the births even using soundex? Jackie

The usual reason for a very late marriage was that a previous spouse was still alive. And sorry, but the marriage cert won't show any details of children - if ONLY they did!!! Yes, you can order on line from the GRO, or print off an order form from Lancsbmd - I don't know how you go about paying for it from abroad but I am sure there are instructions on both sites. Good luck OC

Hi Shirley, Rose, Christine, and Jelly, Thanks so much for all your help. Ive found them in all the census's even 1841. So I now know williams father and mothers first name ( not last as yet ). 1901 they were listed as Teen. 1881 listed as Tear. 1851 listed as Tuer ( tho images actuallly shows Teer). Whats confusing me is why William and Lillian would have married 20 odd years after the first child was born ( James ). Could this be a second marriage? If it was would the marriage cert show children present? Jelly, I am subscribed to Ancestry. But cant make head or tale of the free bmd. Doesnt show parents. Unless I am doing the wrong thing. Think I better order some certs, to see if mothers name was different. This may prove it? Can I order these online ( since I am in OZ ). ? jackie

Jackie to get bmd on Ancestry you need to register first is free. You should then be able to get bmd complete 1837 - 1983. Good look with your searching. Jelly

This is the only W TEER - L TAYLOR marriage on http://www.lancashirebmd.org.uk between 1870 and 1930: Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1915 Surname Forename(s) ~Surname Forename(s) ~Church / Register Office ~Registers At ~Reference TEER William H ~TAYLOR Lilian ~Salford Register Office or Registrar Attended ~Salford ~SAL/122/148 Christine PS - just noticed Shirley had already mentioned this, sorry.

Yes I found it on Ancestry. It is the 1881 census and he is listed as the son of Elizabeth, so he will be William's brother. Elizabeth is the head and all the rest are her children. You may have found Frank Teer brother of James born 1892, Lillian born 1895 and Ethel born 1898 as mentioned before.

Jackie, Are you sure about Frank's year of birth because there's this? Births Jun 1902 TEER Frank Salford 8d 4 Rose

I don't know if this will be of any use, but I managed to locate the 1881 census for the family on Ancestry. They are listed as Tear not Teer, all living at: - 184, Corporation Street, Cheetham, Manchester Elizabeth Tear - abt1842 aged 39 - married William - abt1860 aged 21 - Joiner Jane - abt1862 aged 19 Frank - abt1864 aged 17 John - abt1865 aged 16 Alice A - abt1869 aged 12 Mary E - abt1872 aged 9 Joseph - abt1874 aged 7 James S All form Manchester. I also found the 1891 census with Leo Teer 1mth, Lillian 24 and William 29. All from Manchester. Can't seem to locate the 1901 though and I had it on 'soundex'. I also found the marriage you mentioned William H Teer & Lillian Taylor In Salford in 1915, either registry office or registrar attended. I found it on lancashirebmd.org.uk. So perhaps you can send off for it. I then tried looking for an Elizabeth who married a ? Teer. Took a risk and went from 1852-1863. I found 2: - Elizabeth Fearnhead married a William Teer in 1856 @ St Simon, Salford. Elizabeth Dunn married a Joseph Teer in 1857. Salford registry office/registrar attended. I don't know if any of this will help. Hope it does

Still don't see them in 1881. What's the address? Rose