Genealogy Chat

So Wade inherited through his wife, Alice, I think, who was a direct descendant of Mary Wade and Henshaw Stubbs - Mary Wade was the daughter of Edward Wade Gentleman of Wades Green. I also have an early, floating Wade - I think I may now be able to fit him in! OC

Georgina Oh dear oh dear. The slave's burial ground....I do fervently hope that the Stubbs were kind to their Slaves, I cannot bear to think of the alternative scenario. Paul - yes, there were TWO Wades, cousins by blood AND by marriage. I am now thinking that the description of Wade Junior, as an ag lab, was a piece of sarcasm, or maybe wit, on the part of the Clergy. But oh, how fascinating this all is, the apple does not, after all, fall as far from the tree as I thought it did! Well, no, actually, in this case it fell a very long way away geographically speaking, but not genetically speaking. OC

No matches for Wade Stubbs on this site, so either Christine isn't a member or she hasn't put him on her tree.

OC just found this bit of info.... Cheshire Hall was set up by Thomas Stubbs, who had been encouraged by his brother, Wade, to leave his Home in England and develop a plantation on Blue Hills, modern day Providenciales. He divided his land into cotton and pastures to grow food for the owners, slaves and animals. Initially successful, Thomas fell on hard times and in 1810 Wade Stubbs purchased the land from his brother. As the most accessible of the plantation sites it is probably the best known. Unfortunately it is at the heart of Providenciales and the site has been consistently encroached upon by development. So much so that today all that is really known, and left, is the main house and industrial compound. The slave quarters, burial sites, latrines and rubbish dumps have not been located and have probably been lost to development. Future development plans will really see all the remaining land surrounding the main complex being bulldozed away. This is a worry, as only at the end of 1999 a new structure was found on a nearby hill, but this was discovered only because of the proposed expansion of the government complex and is unlikely to be protected from demolition. Cheshire Hall should be used as an example of what can happen due to development and that the existing plantations on other Islands will require much better protection, or at least better interpretation and understanding before they are put at risk. Georgina.

I don't think it's erroneous, Paul, it looks as though there were two of them. According to this tree, OC's Wade inherited the estate in 1822: http://worldconnect.rootsweb*com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=patcoghm&id=I1002

Oooh Mary Wouldnt I just LOVE that job anyway, never mind me being the rightful queen of the Island. And yes, I saw that Pedigree File by Christine Jensen. Here I have to EAT MY WORDS about Pedigree Files - this file is absolutely 100% accurate (in that it agrees with MY research, lol). I dont suppose, by the remotest chance, that Christine Jensen is a member of Genes??? OC

That erroneous death date of 1822 is interesting. Looks like he freed many of his slaves during his final 30 years. Not such a bad bloke after all then.

Fancy a job out there, OC? 'Welcome to the Official site for the Turks and Caicos National Museum. STOP PRESS - NEW DIRECTOR SOUGHT The present Director, Nigel Sadler, will be leaving the country at the end of 2006. The Museum is now seeking to appoint his replacement. If you are interested in learning more or applying for the post please see the section Advert For Museum Director.'

OC according to a resource File on the IGI you have the right chap.... Individual Record FamilySearch™ Pedigree Resource File Wade Stubbs Compact Disc #122 Pin #893529 Sex: M Event(s): Birth: 1789 Place: Gawsworth, Cheshire, UK Christening: 21 Dec 1789 Place: Death: 1853 Place: Turks & Caicos Islands Parents: Father: Thomas Stubbs Disc #122 Pin #893545 Mother: Betty Hulme Disc #122 Pin #893547 Marriage(s): Spouse: Alice Stubbs Disc #122 Pin #893530 Marriage: 1814 Place: Notes and Sources: Notes: Available on CD-ROM Disc# 122 Sources: None -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Submitter: Christina JENSEN England Georgina.

Right, so Wade was sent out there to look after his FIL's interests, wonder what happened to Alice? The constant misspelling of Henshaw as Henshall makes me laugh - this all stems from an early entry in the PRs which has Henshaw entered with a peculiarly shaped W, which to the uninitiated, looks like double-l. But it seems that many of the Henshaws adopted this as the correct spelling of their name, I see it so often. Googling again! OC

'...upon his death in 1822, Stubbs owned over 8000 acres on North and Middle Caicos and Providenciales as well as 384 slaves, many of whom took his surname. Today, Stubbs is one of the most common names in the islands.' http://www.travelotica*com/travelguide/43500/turks-and-caicos-islands/north-caicos/the-island-43502.htm

Ahahahahaha!!!! Wades Green is the name of a property owned by the Stubbs in 1573 - Edward Stubbs of Wade Green (Gawsworth) The other Wade,Wade Stubbs born 16 Nov 1753 Gawsworth, is the son of Edward Stubbs of North Rode. I have nothing on him at all other than his baptism date, maybe this is why? He upped and offed to the T and C before he could do anything as coarse as marrying. This makes the two Wades cousins of sorts - I need to work out the exact relationship. So, do we think the preponderance of STUBBS on the Islands relates to slaves taking the name of their owners, rather than extra-mural activities by the gentlemen Stubbs? (Um, how do I feel about having Slave Owners in my tree then, and presumably Slave Traffickers???) OC - off to google!

Gordon Bennett, OC! How come your ancestors start out as labourers, make good, do something really interesting and end up on all sorts of fascinating records, whilst all my labourers are permanently rooted to the sod from which they sprang and barely even rate a mention at the local Assises. I have turned a particularly nasty shade of green and am going off to sulk with a large bottle of whisky! (By the way, picked up a useful tip the other day. Whisky is made from grain and is therefore virtually muesli.) Tina

There's loads of stuff about Wade senior on the Internet, but I won't spoil OC's fun by googling any more.

Gaaaaaaaagh! I saw that this morning before you gave us the name! When are you going to book your flight then, Crone?

So if your Wade died in 1853, who was the one that died in 1822?

My goodness, you've got an interesting one here. 'There is also no apparent reason why there are so many more slaves recorded in 1822 than in the following 4 records, unless we conclude that the death of Wade Stubbs in 1822 saw many of his slaves being freed, running away or being sold to people outside the country and it is this that partly accounts for the dramatic decline from 1822 and 1825 (although many of his slaves were purchased by Henshall Stubbs and taken to Grand Turk). However, It is clear by the steady numbers from 1825 that around 1400 slaves was the required number to maintain the economic activity of the Turks and Caicos Islands.' http://www.tcmuseum.org/slavery/08_slave_records_of_1822_to_1834/

Google is your friend :-) Florida loyalist Wade Stubbs. Originally from the village of Gawsworth in the English county of Cheshire, Stubbs received a grant of 860 acres on North Caicos and began construction of a plantation he called 'Bellefield'. Bellefield prospered and was later christened 'Wade's Green'. http://www.nationaltrust.tc/Heritagesites.htm

Well, over night thoughts have made me think maybe it wasnt my man, maybe it was his namesake, as there are so many of the same name. Facts I have are these Wade Stubbs, bap 21 Dec 1789 Gawsworth St James, son of Thomas Stubbs and Betty (Hulme) He married his cousin, Alice Stubbs (daur of Henshaw Stubbs and Sarah Shaw) on 2nd October 1814 at Prestbury St Peter - occupation given as Labourer of Gawsworth. They had three (known) children William 1819 Matthew 1826 and Richard (b/d 1818) I expect there are more, I havent delved as until now he wasn't interesting enough! He is commemorated on the tombstone of his parents in Gawsworth St James - Wade their son who died 1853 in foreign parts. There is, on Pedigree Files, a submitted tree which exactly corresponds with my findings about the family (Stubbs) as a whole - Wade appears to have gone to US? Well, his descendants did, anyway. So Wade left for foreign parts after 1826, before 1853. The website regarding Turks and Caicos throws up the information that Stubbs is one of the commonest names in the phone book. Now, my Wade cannot have been responsible for this, surely, so it would seem that his ancestors went there before he did. OC

I think Slaves were often given the surname of the estate where they lived so they may not be your relatives by your high standards. Intriguing though. Just when you think you have pinned one family to a small village for several generations something like this hapens. Was your relly a servant to someone who owned cotton plantations? Who said family history was dull.