Genealogy Chat

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Hi Folks, well you're probably all in bed right now so Good Morning! I want to start finding more of the 'flesh' to fill out my trees branches. you know the real nitty gritty of how my ancestors lived and died not just when and where. From what I've found most were the lower working class, some ended up in the workhouse etc. Would there even be obits or anything else mentioning the poor or was it strictly the wealthy that got publicaly discussed? I'm in the states so I can't visit and search through the local paper archives anywhere but I'd like to try and find any obits, or articles or anything (see I don't even know what I'm looking for) that would give me more insight. Obviously there would be newspapers but what else can I look for? so I've 3 questions. 1/ What should i be looking for? I know about looking for wills but that's about it. 2/ where should I look? my ancestors came from London, Sussex and Ayr,Scotland. 3/ How should I search? I can google but I've not been turning up anything. I've got my eye trained on ebay for old local newspapers etc but what else can I do? Write to places? but then i don't know where. I know this is a lot of questions but I'm trying to learn and really don't know who else to ask. I'm sure others could use hints and tips in this direction too. Helen

Whereabouts in London ? I will be going to the Bancroft Road Library in East London in the next couple of weeks, and often look at their newspaper archives. The old East London papers are full of stories about unfortunates. I also use a web site, although it is limited for the years it covers I have found a few bits about my family. Newspaper Detectives dot co dot uk - all one word. Rgds, Jeanne

Hi Jeanne, Two of my families were from London, mainly West Ham, Bethnal Green, Pancras areas. The Gilberts were from West Ham, I've not got very much on them yet, still at the Grandparents and Gr Grandparents. Late 1800's early 1900's The Scully's were in London in the mid to late 1800's living in Pancras and Bethnal Green. Helen

The local archive I have mentioned covers Bethnal Green, however not St Pancras. They have very good coverage of the East London Advertiser, which are full of stories of accidents, suicides, inquests and crimes, the vast majority of which involve the poor working class families of the East End. I think that the Guildhall Library in the City of London would cover the St Pancras/Kings Cross areas, or of course libraries local to the area. If you can tell me exactly the 'who, what and when' I would be happy to look it up for you when I next go. The areas covered would roughly be Stepney, Hackney, Poplar, Bethnal Green, Shoreditch, Mile End, Hoxton, Whitechapel & Spitalfields. Rgds, Jeanne

Jeanne that would be wonderful! Thankyou so much. I'll gather together the info I've got and PM you later. Thankyou! Helen

Oh Poplar and Shoreditch were mentioned too, and I had a Gr.Gr. Gr? Grandfather in the Metropolitan police.

No problem.

Where in London did your policeman live? I have transcriptions of quite a few parishes in the East End that covers various periods through the 1700's and 1800's - give me a name and area and I'll have a look for you.

The policeman was Thomas Vincent Scully. He is shown on the 1891 Census in Islington 1891 England Census Record about Thomas Scully Name: Thomas Scully Age: 28 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1863 Relation: Head Spouses's Name: Elizabeth Gender: Male Where Born: Sunderland, Durham, England Civil parish: Islington Ecclesiastical parish: St Anne Town: London City County/Island: London Country: England Street address: Occupation: Condition as to marriage: Education: Employment status: View image Registration district: Islington Sub registration district: Upper Holloway ED, institution, or vessel: 61 Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age Elizabeth Scully 26 Thomas Scully 28 Thomas Scully 2 William Scully 3/12 View Original Record View original image

Is this him in 1881 ? Other Information: Birth Year <1863> Birthplace Sunderland, Durham, England Age 18 Occupation Painter Marital Status U <Unmarried> Head of Household Patrick BRYNE Relation Visitor Disability -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Source Information: Dwelling 5 Florence Str Census Place Linthorpe, York, England Family History Library Film 1342169 Public Records Office Reference RG11 Piece / Folio 4856 / 43 Page Number 30

Is this his marriage ? Marriages: Spouse: Eliza Ann Saberi Marriage: 16 FEB 1873 Holy Trinity, Lambeth, Surrey, England

That does match what I found for 1881, not sure about the marriage, all I have is her first name year and place of birth from the after marriage census' Gillian, thankyou I'll take a look.

No the marriage can't be him, he'd only be 10 in 1873

Q1 1891 Scully William Henry Islington 1b 220 Do you have this birth cert ? Marriages Jun 1888 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Duckett James Marylebone 1a 1109 LLOYD Elizabeth Marylebone 1a 1109 SCULLY Thomas Henry Marylebone 1a 1109 WEBSTER Priscilla Marylebone 1a 1109 I think Elizabeth Lloyd might be your lady !

Scully Thomas Bethnal Green 1c 259 June 1887 This is before the marriage, but possible. In 1901 Name: Thos Scully Age: 39 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1862 Relation: Head Spouses's Name: Elizabeth Gender: Male Where born: Sanderstead, Durham, England Civil parish: St Pancras Ecclesiastical parish: St Pancras Mother Church County/Island: London Country: England Street address: Occupation: Condition as to marriage: Education: Employment status: View image Registration district: St Pancras Sub-registration district: Tottenham Court ED, institution, or vessel: 1 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 277 Household Members: Name Age Arthur Scully 4 Elizabeth Scully 37 Fredk Scully 1 Kathleen Scully 8 Thos Scully 39 Thos Scully 12 Willm Scully 10 View Original Record View original image View

Ooh you might have hit the nail on the head with that marriage!

A light bulb just went on! On the 1891 William is 3 months, I read it as 3 1/2 but it's actually 3/12 according to the thread *** census dates *** that census was taken 5 april 1891 so he'd be born jan/feb 1891

Registered March 1891 Scully William Henry Islington 1b 220 oh that's the one you found. But it's a definate I'll but that on my list of certs to order next.

Glad to help.