Genealogy Chat

hi all, well i have gone round in circles ,as you do, trying to find my husbands grandad samuel sears born 1875, got no birth cert yet, ,the only man showing up not married in the 1901 census is the samuel sears in shelsley beauchamp, so i have spoke to the register office for the area twice, they rang me on friday ,they are haveing trouble finding the birth cert for this man, yet he is there in 1901 census, my sam married in blackburn in 1902 , got his marriage cert, still not easy to find from that ,as it shows his dad as a george perkins, that was a shock to the older family thats left, also he died in 1915 in blackburn lancs, help ,do i give up, how can i find this man, thanks jean please read below all messages , sorry not very good at this bit, jean

Have you been able to trace George Perkins in the censues? Could Samuel have been a Perkins too in earlier years? Merry

oops, I just realised it's Samuel who died in 1915. I thought you meant George! Merry

If he was born 1875, you should be able to find him in 1881 and 1891. The closer a census is to someone's birth the more likely it is to be accurate. As his father had a different surname, its likely Samuel was illegitimate. He might therefore have had his mother's maiden name at his birth and then maybe if she married later, to have taken his stepfather's surname. nell

Hi nell........... I remember this Samuel from other threads! The problem is, the one from Shelsey B is the only one available in 1901 who fits with the marriage record, but perhaps he isn't the right man in any case?? I don't know where his bride was living in 1901, but if they married in 1902 in Blackburn, one might be forgiven for thinking they should have already met by 1901? Merry

Perhaps he was born a Perkins but adopted a stepfathers name.

Name: Samuel Sears Year of Registration: 1902 Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep District: Blackburn County: Lancashire Volume: 8e Page: 702 Euphemia Bates Martha Halliwell Richard Rigby Have you managed to find the bride on 1901 - did the age match the marriage cert? Just wondering if Samuel lied about his age. Maureen

Have you ruled this one out? 1881 Name: William Samuel Perkins Age: 8 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1873 Relation: Son Father's name: George Mother's name: Ellen Gender: Male Where Born: Shrawley, Worcestershire, England Civil parish: Shrawley County/Island: Worcestershire Country: England Street address: Shotgrove Cottage Occupation: Scholar Registration district: Martley Sub registration district: Witley ED, institution, or vessel: 9 Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age Ellen Crumpton 30 George Crumpton 41 William Samuel Perkins 8 Source Citation: Class: RG11; Piece: 2909; Folio: 89; Page: 7; Line: ; GSU roll: 1341697. Same registration district as Samuel Sears on 1901 census Marriage to match 1881 census Name: George Crumpton Year of Registration: 1875 Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec District: Martley County: Worcestershire Volume: 6c Page: 469 Ellen Perkins Maureen

whats the address on the marriage cert?? Marie

No Surname Forename1 Forename2 Forename3 Mothers maiden name District Page No Event Quarter Year View Image 1 Sears Euphemia Bates Blackburn.8e 769 Birth 1 1914

this is the only death I could find for Samuel Sears in Blackburn round 1915 time No Surname Forename1 Forename2 Forename3 AAD District Page No Event Quarter Year View Image 1 Sears Samuel 40 Blackburn.8e 607 Death 4 1913

1901 England Census Record about Eupheame Bates Name: Eupheame Bates Age: 19 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1882 Relation: Servant Gender: Female Where born: Manchester, Lancashire, England Civil parish: Preston Ecclesiastical parish: Ribbleton County/Island: Lancashire Country: England Street address: Occupation: Condition as to marriage: Education: Employment status: View image Registration district: Preston Sub-registration district: Alston ED, institution, or vessel: 11 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 182 Household Members: Name Age Eupheame Bates 19 Alexr C Fergason 49 Alice Hannah Fergason 52 Allan Fergason 20 Florence Fergason 13 Kitty Fergason 16 Alfred Kelsall 32

hi all,jean here, thanks alot for all replys, brilliant, yes samuel was the son of a squire at the big house and mother the maid, so she must have got kicked out after that, i found euphemia,s family in blackburn, mother ,dad, and brother robert, his family are now in burnley and i am in touch with some of his rels, but they dont know much about samuel, samuel and euphemia married at christ church blackburn and he lived in snape st blackburn, she lived at the fever hospital what now is the new hospital just opened in july called the royal blackburn,she did live as a servent for a landlord of a pub in manchester, on the marriage cert it says he is 27 yrs old, his dad is george perkins (deceased),and he can write his name, best man look like man and wife from manchester, george stevenson and mary ellen stevenson, thanks to all of you love jean

hi all, just been on here most of day,now got brain freeze, i am still looking for samuel sears born shelsley beauchamp, found samuel seers wife anne seers, son samuel seers christening 1867 shelsley beauchamp, could a mistake have been made on the year ,could it have been 1876, born 1875. and another thought anne was 15 yrs younger than samuel the dad, was she the mum to my samuel sears born 1875, i dont seem to be able to find samuel with mum anne only in records on family search. i will have another go tomorrow, please go to great wall of china ,if this is totaly confuzing, for give me im off to bed, thanks jean