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Where is or was? in Derbyshire Little Chester Temple Normanton I have just received a copy of a marriage cert from a cousin, for John Tomlinson and Mary spencer, December 1863, both living in Little Chester at time of marriage. Johns father George Tomlinson (Blacksmith) Marys father John Spencer (agent) What did an agent do? I have not been able to get any further back for these 2, but do know that John worked as a groom for the rector of Norbury in 1861. I do have them in 1871, 1881, 1891, 1901 Here's 1871 James Foulkner abt 1851 Austow, Staffordshire, England Boarder All Saints Derbyshire James Kidd abt 1854 Newborough, Staffordshire, England Boarder All Saints Derbyshire Frederick Tomlinson abt 1870 Derbyshire, England Son All Saints Derbyshire George A Tomlinson abt 1866 Derbyshire, England Son All Saints Derbyshire John Tomlinson abt 1844 Belper, Derbyshire, England Head All Saints Derbyshire John Wm Tomlinson abt 1864 Derbyshire, England Son All Saints Derbyshire Mary Tomlinson abt 1845 Normanton, Derbyshire, England Wife All Saints Derbyshire Thank you for any help or advice Sylvia

Have you tried googling for the places? I just have as there is even a website for Little Chester Heritage centre. Google searching is a wonderful tool for any info. You can also google old occupations to find out what job descriptions are.

Have you considered this Mary in 1851 Mary Spencer Age: 6 Estimated birth year: abt 1845 Relation: Daughter Father's name: John Gender: Female Where born: Temple; Normanton, Derbyshire, England Household Members: Name Age Frances Spencer 8 George Spencer 15 Hannah Spencer 2 Jane Spencer 4 John Spencer 48 - occ miller & small occupier ?? Lucy Spencer 10 Mary Spencer 6 Sarah Spencer 11 Thomas Spencer 13 William Spencer 19 Father is John - try following the family through to 1861/1871 to see what his occupation was John (father) born Crich

I think this is the same John Spencer in 1871 John Spencer Age: 58 Estimated birth year: abt 1803 Relation: Head Gender: Male Where born: Brackenfield, Derbyshire, England Registration district: Mansfield Sub-registration district: Blackwell Household Members: Name Age Joseph Key 8 Hannah Spencer 12 Jane Spencer 14 John Spencer 58 Sarah Spencer 22 Thomas Spencer 18 His occupation here is listed as Railway Construction Agent

Thank you Heather, i googled Little Chester and hadnt realised it was a suburb of Derby not far from where i lived as a child.

This might be your Mary in 1861 Mary Spencer Age: 16 Estimated birth year: abt 1845 Relation: Servant Gender: Female Where born: Temple Normanton, Derbyshire, England Civil parish: Hasland County/Island: Derbyshire Country: England Registration district: Chesterfield Sub-registration district: Chesterfield Household Members: Name Age Eleanor Blackburn 70 William Blackburn 62 Mary Spencer 16

? John in 1861 John Tomlinson Age: 19 Estimated birth year: abt 1842 Relation: Servant Gender: Male Where born: Belper, Derbyshire, England Civil parish: Norbury County/Island: Derbyshire Country: England Occupation Groom Address - The Rectory, Norbury Household Members: Name Age Mary A 22 Harriet A Broughton 20 Brion W P Brougton 3 Clement Francis Brougton 54 occ. RECTOR Clement L G Brougton 5 Eleanor F R Brougton 2 Eliza Brougton 6 Grace A Brougton 12 Lucy C Brougton 14 Mary Jane Brougton 38 Reigniold E Brougton 4 Mo Jane Fisher 2 Emily Gunner 35 Emma Minion 46 George Osmon 30 Harriet Preston 30 Hannah Smith 14 Mary A Stonier 13 John Tomlinson 19

Thank you Elaine, The only census i have is for John and Mary after they where married

Yes thats them Elaine

This cert raised a few questions for me, like why would John sign with an x and then go on to be a policeman, i would have thought he would have to be able to write for that. And the witness was Sarah Calladine, Who was she?

Sylvia Sometimes people just put a mark because it was quicker. Or he might have learned to read and write later. As to who the witness was, - you'll have to try tracing her through certificates and censuses like anyone else. As the surname is the same she must be related in some way. Wntlesses were often parents, siblings, siblings-in-law.

1861 - in the right area Name: Sarah Calladine Age: 17 Estimated birth year: abt 1844 Relation: Daughter Father's name: John Mother's name: Eliza Gender: Female Where born: Little Chester, Derbyshire, England Civil parish: Little Chester County/Island: Derbyshire Country: England Registration district: Derby Sub-registration district: St Alkmund ED, institution, or vessel: 18 Household schedule number: 25 Household Members: Name Age Eliza Calladine 42 Eliza Calladine 11 Elizabeth Calladine 3 Emma Calladine 8 George Calladine 5 John Calladine 42 Mary Ann Calladine 15 Maureen

Thank you Heather and Glitter Baby Have Been googling as you suggested Heather and found a Sarah calladine married a Tomlinson on another forum. The person who was inquiring about this is also researching my family, just hope they are still around as their last post was 2005 Thank you all Sylvia

Im sure a lot of people think Im being curt when I say have a google but its amazing what you can find by entering a name and area and anything else you want info on. When I first started this I entered my main surname and found a website for a whole family tree and the originator who turns out to be a distant cousin of mine. She had been researching for 3 decades and could help me so much. Ive helped her now and its brill to be in touch, Google is wonderful.

I`m begining to think i might use it more often now Heather Thank you Sylvia

Sylvia, looking at teh website for Little chester, it looks like it is the area now commonly known as Chester Green, which lies between the city of Derby and Breadsall areas.