Genealogy Chat

Can you help me please? I have bought 2 certificates and they confirm my relatives but both of the parents are from Ireland and on there marriage certficate it says as place of residence for Bride is Scholes wigan and groom Upholland .They got married in ST JOHN'S CHAPEL wigan .What i would like to know is 1,Is the church still there ? 2,Is it possible to contact them or someone in relation to finding out the parish in ireland they are from because it was a catholic marriage. 3.Has anyone got any clues as how to progress further with these familys as i do have the father's names but unfortunately they are not on lds for baptisms using the fathers names.If i can find the parish they are from in ireland it would be a starting point. Here is the info from marriage certificate. Peter Baihn (bain mostly) 27 labourer upholland (father) edward baihn farmer. Mary Ryan 23 factory hand scholes wigan (father) Thomas ryan labourer. married 23/01/1848. any help grateully recieved. lizz

Elizabeth, I haven't got time to do this for you right now as grandchildren coming for dinner. (I'm in Oz). I have an hour to do a roast. But have you tried googling parish name and seeing if there is a church there. Or google Catholic in Ireland. There has to be a head office at one of the main cities. Email them and ask. I'll check back later and see if I can help. Good luck.

Elizabeth Good Luck witht the roast (time wise) I have googled it and it brings the name up on 2 wigan sites but no links or numbers i can contact unfortunately. As for Ireland i wouldn't know where to start.Except on the 1861 census opf Ryan family the mother is widow from Dublin Ireland ,But tried Lds for marriage in that area of Thomas Ryan and Mary to no avail. many thanks for the advice lizz

This is the Genuki page on Wigan, which might have a bit of info: www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/LAN/Wigan/ Unfortunately, unless you can find the parents with an Irish birthplace (or ee3n county) as opposed to just 'ireland' as place of birth in the census, I think it will be v. difficult to get back further. No records were kept of immigration from Ireland as it was considered part of the same country. All Irish censuses except 1901 and 1911 have been destroyed. You have already tried the familysearch site. Put 'Irish' into the search box at the top of this message board and you'll see there have been many, many queries about Irish genealogy. You might find some useful info on one of them. Good luck Nell (whose husband's Irish ancestor, Callaghan McCarthy, is just a name on a marriage cert of his son Dennis. Dennis became James Carter in later life. Have no way of knowing whether Callaghan was a real person or made up, whether he was from Ireland or born in London - Dennis says that he was born London on all censuses but can't find either of them in 1841)

Little Nell Thanks for your advice.I have emailed Wigan libraries for help to see parish records etc. lizz