Genealogy Chat

My ongoing Waisnis problem is no near getting sorted.Got the marriage cert for gggrandparents Mary Ann Whitty Henry Waisnis. Henry's father is John and address given on cert is 25 Hook St Liverpool. Problem is, they must have moved to Hook St AFTER the census was completed but before Henry's wedding in Sept 1871. They must have lived in Liverpool area for Henry and Mary to meet and get married by 1871??? but how the heck am I going to find them? The Waisnis name and Wiseness just doesn't come up anywhere for 1871. With a name like that they could have originated anywhere. What am I going to do? Any helpful suggestions gratefully accepted. :) Disappointed Lyn x x

Lyn do you have them on the 1881 census? or do you know of any children they had? How old was Henry on the marriage certificate & what was his occupation? Georgina.

Lynn, This must be them in 1881: Household: Name Relation Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation Disability William WHITTY Head U Male 41 Ireland Pensioner Catherine WHITTY Sister U Female 28 Ireland Walter WHITTY Brother Male 27 Ireland Dock Laborer Mary Ann WHITTY Mother U Female 81 Ireland Mary A. WISENESS Sister M Female 32 Ireland John P. WISENESS Son Male 8 Lpool Scholar Mary A. WISENESS Sister Daur Female 7 Lpool Scholar and the births of the 2 children: Births Sep 1872 Wiseness John Patrick Liverpool 8b 66 Births Dec 1873 WISENESS Mary Ann Liverpool 8b 2 Rose

This has got to be Mary A Whitty in 1871 just before her marriage... Mary Rackle abt 1852 Ireland Servant Liverpool Lancashire Harriett Whitty abt 1857 Liverpool, Lancashire, England Daughter Liverpool Lancashire James Whitty abt 1815 Ireland Head Liverpool Lancashire Mary A Whitty abt 1852 Liverpool, Lancashire, England Daughter Liverpool Lancashire Mary E Whitty abt 1850 Liverpool, Lancashire, England Daughter Liverpool Lancashire Rebecca Whitty abt 1825 Upper Winchendon, Buckinghamshire, England Wife Liverpool Lancashire Walter Whitty abt 1863 Liverpool, Lancashire, England Son Liverpool Lancashire Georgina.

Right here goes, on the wedding cert of Henry Waisnis and Mary Ann Whitty, Henry's occupation is 'Mariner'. His fathers name is John WAISNIS and his occupation is 'Farmer'. It is his father that is residing at Hook Street Liverpool. Both Henry and Mary were 22 years old when they married on 24th September 1871. They were married at St Michael's Chapel, West Derby Road, Everton in the district of West Derby and Toxteth Park. Mary Ann's father was Patrick Whitty living at 15 Hampstead Road, West Derby and he is recoded as a 'Police Pensioner'. Their witnesses were Michael Kent and Mary Sinnott. At the time of the 1871 census, John WAISNIS is not living at 25 Hook Street, Liverpool District of St Martin no 40 Scotland Ward but he later moves there by the time of Henry's wedding in September. By the time Henry and Mary Ann have their daughter (Mary Ann WISENESS) in 1873, they have moved to the Courts in Liverpool off Latimer Street. Prior to this, some time in 1872 they have a son John Patrick WISENESS. Sooo... all I have to do now is establish where John WAISNIS Snr (and family if there was one) were living prior to the Hook Street address. Where was he at the time of the census? Surely the family cannot have moved to Liverpool after the census was taken and Henry and Mary Ann meet and marry by the September of the same year. They had to be somewhere before then?? The fact that Henry is a mariner could simply mean he is away to sea when the census was taken and returned home to marry. If anyone here has any clues or any pointers for where I need to go next it would be most gratefully appreciated. Lyn x x

Lyn, I wonder if the name has Eastern European origins and was Anlgicized after the children were born. Do you have them in 1891? I see the Mary Ann is a widow in 1901. What about Henry's death? I see there was another child born called Henry who died. Rose

Lyn how do you know that Henry's father was living at that address in the september of 1871? If you are taking the address from the marriage cert. it could be a lodging house where Henry is staying between his Sea trips if he is a mariner. Henry's family may be from a foreign country and never actually came to England, is there any indication on the marriage certificate that Henry is a foreigner? Georgina.

I have them in 1891 as WESENERS but when you look at the census return it is actually WISENESS RG12/2902 Folio 68 p22 Mary A Wiseness Head Widow Housekeeper b1847 Ireland John Wiseness Son Dock Labourer b1872 Lancs Liverpool Mary Ann Daur Restaurant Cook b1873 Liverpool* Walter Whitty Bro Dock Labourer b1859 Ireland * Have birth cert for Mary Ann - b Courts Latimer Street Liverpool August 1873. Father is recorded as Seaman on her birth cert Lyn x

Georgina, I don't know where his father was living at the time of the marriage, I presumed that it was 25 Hook Street Liverpool, it is listed as residence at time of marriage. There is a family living there at the time of wife husband three children and one boarder. I presumed that the address given was for his father John Waisnis but it isn't necessarily is it? It appears this is possibly where Henry may have boarded whilst he was away at sea as you suggested, which gets me no closer to identifying his father's residence etc. :( Lyn x

Rose, I can't establish Henry Snr's death at all. there is no indication on the marriage cert as to nationality etc except that his father waw a farmer. Lyn x

Thank you all for your input, don't know anything about Henry's death, which country he was from, which vessels he sailed on so feeling like this brick wall is getting higher! Oh well, will just try and work out how to take this further but once again thanks for all your input. Regards, Lyn x x

Sorry lyn I have searched Ancestry records for a while now and have not come up with anything you dont know. It is frustrating when you cannot find peeps. sorry i could not have helped more but I tried. As a suggestion you could try the National Archives they have merchant sea records. good luck gwen