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Hi I do hope someone can help? I'm trying to trace a Sarah Ann Knight who was the mother of a Thomas John KNIGHT born 13/08/1873. Thomas's birth was registered in the district of Hawarden, Counties of Cheshire and Flintshire. However I have a letter dated 1935 from Thomas John Knight, advising that although he was born Thomas John, he has grown up known as William Knight. The letter explains that he was raised by his grandparents who already had two sons, named Thomas and John and so for distinction they named him William. His mother who was a servant who had him out of wedlock and that is all I know about her. I have managed to find him on the 1901 census, living with Emily Molyneux, his fiancee recorded a William but I can't seem to locate him before then. Has anyone got any ideas/suggestions??? Elaine

Hope you don't mind Elaine - I find I miss things when GR garbles up the headers as they do... Original Added by Elaine Knight on 08/06/2006 19:36:47 Can anyone help me PLEASE????? Hi I do hope someone can help? I'm trying to trace a Sarah Ann Knight who was the mother of a Thomas John KNIGHT born 13/08/1873. Thomas's birth was registered in the district of Hawarden, Counties of Cheshire and Flintshire. However I have a letter dated 1935 from Thomas John Knight, advising that although he was born Thomas John, he has grown up known as William Knight. The letter explains that he was raised by his grandparents who already had two sons, named Thomas and John and so for distinction they named him William. His mother who was a servant who had him out of wedlock and that is all I know about her. I have managed to find him on the 1901 census, living with Emily Molyneux, his fiancee recorded a William but I can't seem to locate him before then. Has anyone got any ideas/suggestions??? Elaine

Essentially, you're looking for a KNIGHT family in the Hawarden area with children: Thomas, John & Sarah Ann, and grandson William (or Thomas John). Christine

What were the names of his grandparents?

hiya elaine, could you please post details of 1901 cen that you have many thanks, julie

This lot look possible (certainly not definite!) Source information: RG11/3566 Registration district: Chester Sub registration district: Hawarden ED, institution, or vessel: 11 Folio: 9 Page: 11 GSU Number: 1341853 *Thomas Knight abt 1828 Broughton, Flintshire, Wales Head Martha Knight abt 1829 Llangollen Wife Joseph Knight abt 1863 Hawarden, Flintshire, Wales Son Martha Knight abt 1865 Broughton, Flintshire, Wales Daughter Caroline Knight abt 1866 Broughton, Flintshire, Wales Daughter *John Knight abt 1872 Broughton, Flintshire, Wales Son ***William Knight abt 1874 Broughton, Flintshire, Wales Grandson Henry Knight abt 1877 Broughton, Flintshire, Wales Grandson Christine

Hawarden is in Flintshire, so I did a look for Knights in Flintshire in 1881 Wales census, and looked for Hawarden, and this seemed the likeliest: Hawarden Flintshire Thomas Knight abt 1828 Broughton, Flintshire, Wales Head Agricultural Labourer Martha Knight abt 1829 Llangollen Wife Joseph Knight abt 1863 Hawarden, Flintshire, Wales Son Martha Knight abt 1865 Broughton, Flintshire, Wales Daughter Caroline Knight abt 1866 Broughton, Flintshire, Wales Daughter John Knight abt 1872 Broughton, Flintshire, Wales Son >>>William Knight abt 1874 Broughton, Flintshire, Wales Grandson Henry Knight abt 1877 Broughton, Flintshire, Wales Grandson Civil parish: Hawarden County/Island: Flintshire Country: Wales Street address: Lester Place Source information: RG11/3566 Folio: 9 Page: 11 Registration district: Chester Sub reg district: Hawarden

Hi Is this them on the 1881 census? Lester Place, Broughton, (parish of Hawarden)Flintshire RG11/3566 folio 9 page 11 Thomas Knight 53 Ag lab born Broughton, Flintshire Martha Knight 52 wife forn Llangollen Joseph Knight 18 son farm labourer born Hawarden Martha Knight 16 daughter general servant born Broughton Flintshire Caroline Knight 15 daughter scholar born Broughton John Knight 9 son scholar born Brought William Knight 7 grandson born Broughton Henry Knight 4 grandson born Broughton They are on the Welsh census. Liz

The same family in 1871 - with son, Thomas, but no Sarah Ann. Source information: RG10/3736 Registration district: Chester Sub-registration district: Hawarden ED, institution, or vessel: 16 Folio: 81 Page: 21 Household schedule number: 94 GSU Number: 842132 Thomas Knight abt 1823 Broughton, Flintshire, Wales Head Martha Knight abt 1830 Llangollen Wife *Thomas Knight abt 1857 Broughton, Flintshire, Wales Son Robert Knight abt 1860 Broughton, Flintshire, Wales Son Joseph Knight abt 1863 Broughton, Flintshire, Wales Son Martha Knight abt 1865 Broughton, Flintshire, Wales Daughter Caroline Knight abt 1868 Broughton, Flintshire, Wales Daughter Christine

YESSSS!!! 1861 Source information: RG9/2634 Registration district: Great Boughton Sub-registration district: Hawarden ED, institution, or vessel: 16 Folio: 122 Page: 3 Household schedule number: 13 GSU Number: 543003 Thomas Knight abt 1827 Hawarden, Flintshire, Wales Head Martha Knight abt 1830 Denbighshire, Wales Wife *****Sarah A Knight abt 1855 Denbighshire, Wales Daughter **Thomas Knight abt 1857 Hawarden, Flintshire, Wales Son Robert Knight abt 1860 Hawarden, Flintshire, Wales Son Christine

Dear All I think you've found them both. Looks as though I was looking in the wrong place, Cheshire - silly girl. Thank you !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Elaine