Genealogy Chat

edwins mother ellen has sister martha marthas brother in law marries a lady called ada louisa rose how strange is that i know have nearly 200 people in my tree thanks to the people on this site thank you sooooooooooooo much hugs angie xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

Edwins mother was Ellen?????!!!!!!!! I'm amazed! I had her down as the virginal spinster!! (I am thinking of the right one aren't I?? The lady who appears on every census, born in Edmonton?? Merry

yep she never married but had an affair with a frederick woods hence edwin been born yipeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

How did you manage to solve it in the end?

That's a good point! Was Frederick Woods down as father on the birth cert then?? If he was then you are very lucky - not many men trotted off meakly to the reg office when they had produced an illegitimate child! Perhaps Ellen was a force to be reckoned with???? Wonder why they didn't get married afterwards?? Have you been able to establish who this man is on the 1861 census, or is the name too commonplace and his occupation something ordinary? Merry

hi all i had some one who had several ancesters of mine in there tree and we knew there was a connection some were i was very lucky to find marthas brother in law who married a rose its only an asumtion but think its a good one i was very lucky that edwinds dad was on the birth cert his name is frereick woods havnt found him on any census yet edwin was also registered twice one in his dads surname woods and his mums rodds angie xx

Merry, from what I remember of the last thread about them, Frederick was on the birth cert :) I found him married in 1851 and 1861!! (to same person) His wife died somewhere between 1861 and 1871, and he became a Lodging House Keeper. He remarred in 1885 and promptly died in 1886 lol Ellen doesn't feature anywhere with him in the censuses.

frederick woods was a grocer be great if any one can find anything on him edwins birth was registered in islington county of middlesex we think frederick was married to a lady called sophia at the time of edwins birth angie xx

Recap - 1851 Frederic Woods abt 1818 Worcestershire, England Head Edmonton Middlesex (Tea Dealer) He's married to Sophia! 1861 Fredk Raymer Woods abt 1817 Worcestershire, England Head Islington Middlesex (Grocer employing 2 men) 1871 Frederick K Woods abt 1819 Worcestershire, England Head Hastings Sussex (Lodging House Keeper) Widower 1881 Frederick Woods abt 1825 Worcestershire, England Head 50 Eversfield Place, Hastings St Mary Magdalen, Sussex, England (Lodging House Keeper) Widower Marriages Dec 1885 ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Eggbrecht Julia Hastings 2b 78 McCALL Donald Hastings 2b 78 Simmons Annie Latter Hastings 2b 78 Woods Frederick Raynor Hastings 2b 78 Deaths Mar 1886 ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Woods Frederick Raynor 70 Hastings 2b 21 (2nd wife obviously wore him out lol)

hi tracey do you have the census images of frederick living with his wife would love to see them if i can angie xx

hi tracey who did frederick marry in 1885 if i send for marriage cert will it be one of the ladies you sent about marriages 1885

Angela, I do have the images. I will post the transcriptions for full household details tomorrow. If you order the 1885 marriage cert, it will tell you who he married. I can't tell, since he died. It will be one of the women listed with him though.

I think he MAY have married Annie Latter Simmons. There is a Julia and Donald McCall (ie the ''other'' couple) on the next census living in Sussex. Julia is born 1853. There is a Julia Eggbrecht on earlier census records also born 1853, though it has to be said that her birth place doesn't match very well!! Merry

thank you merry and tracey you have been great as always hugs angie xx

1851 - Fou Street Frederic Woods abt 1818 Worcestershire, England Head Edmonton Middlesex (Tes Dealer) Sophia Woods abt 1817 Eastry, Kent, England Wife Edmonton Middlesex George Piddock abt 1833 Howfield, Kent, England Servant Edmonton Middlesex (Assistant) William Cook abt 1837 Clapton, Middlesex, England Servant Edmonton Middlesex (Assistant) Charlotte Whitbread abt 1833 Enfield, Middlesex, England Servant Edmonton Middlesex (General Servant) 1861 - 249 Upper Street Fredk Raymer Woods abt 1817 Worcestershire, England Head Islington Middlesex (Grocer Emp 2 Men) Sophia Woods abt 1816 Wife Islington Middlesex Thomas Rickes abt 1844 Bayswater, Middlesex, England Son Islington Middlesex (Assistant) John Torp abt 1843 Brighton, Sussex, England Servant Islington Middlesex (Assistant) Emma Cox abt 1846 Harlington, Middlesex, England Servant Islington Middlesex (General Servant) 1871 - 50 Eversfield Place Frederick K Woods abt 1819 Worcestershire, England Head Hastings Sussex (Lodging House Keeper) Eliza Cleveland abt 1818 Suffolk, England Visitor Hastings Sussex (same address)Victor Brooke abt 1843 C Fermanagle, Ireland Head Hastings Sussex (Baronet) 1881 - 50 St Eversfield Place, Hastings Frederick Woods abt 1825 Worcestershire, England Head (Lodging House Keeper) Elizabeth Hughy abt 1847 Oxfordshire, England Servant (Domestic Servant Cook) Eliza Cleveland abt 1826 Brampton, Suffolk, England Servant (Domestic Servant Housekeeper) Jane West abt 1860 Frogham Nonington, Kent, England Servant (General Servant) Mary Magdalen, Sussex, England

THANK YOU TRACEY FOR THE CENSUS INFO IV GOT A BOOK I WRITE EVERYTHING IN ITS FILLING UP NICELY THANKS TO THE KIND PEOPLE ON THIS SITE HUGS ANGIE XXX

it doesnt look like they had any children together except on 1861 census it says thomas rickes is son of the house hold i wonder what thats all about angie xx

Sorry, my fault. It should say Servant. I didn't check before I posted.

thats ok tracey perhaps frederick couldnt have children with his wife and so had an affair and this is why edwin is registered twice in both surnames and also frederick on edwins birth cert he was obviously very proud to be edwins father just my thoughts angie xxx

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