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I also found this birth:-
Ruby M. Mann, mother's maiden name Hickling
Sept. qtr. 1924, Leicester, 71, 483.
and this one:-
Muriel I. Mann, mother's maiden name Hickling
Dec. qtr. 1925, Leicester, 7a, 430
and this one:-
Alexander A. Mann, mother's maiden name Hickling
June qtr. 1930, Leicester, 7a, 482
I've checked to the end of 1930 but there may be more births after that.
Kath. x
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Hi Kath
Many thanks for the info.
I am now a bit confused as to whether my mothers father was:
Walter Mann who had previously been married to ada Rutter, OR Walter Mann, who had been previously married to May Hickling??
My mother's,( Irene Mann) mother was Annie Kilby nee Fowles, who after her husbands (Kilby) death, later married a Mr Mann. My mum was born July 1922. Can we find out when Walter Mann's wife May Hickiling died?
Thanks
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Gillian,
Read through my replies again.
It wasn't Walter Mann who was married to May Hickling, it was Walter's son Ernest from his first marriage who was married to May Hickling.
I do think your mother's father was Walter Mann who was married to Ada Rutter and then married to Annie Fowkes.
I think Ernest T. Mann who was married to May Hickling was your mother's half brother (they both had Walter Mann as their father but with different mothers).
Kath. x
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Thanks Kath
I obviously hadnt read it correctly - makes perfect sense now! Do we know if Ernest had any brothers / sisters? - was he an only child?
Also, Walter Mann's 1st wife Ada died in 1919, my mum Irene Mann was bor 1922, but my gran Annie kilby, didnt marry Walter Mann until 1927 - could this marriage have been his 3rd? was he marrioed between 1919 & 1927? otherwise why the gap?
Many thanks again Kath for your help -
kind regards
Gill
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Hi Gillian,
It would be difficult to check if Ernest T. Mann had any brothers/sisters, as between 1901 when we have him as an only child on the census and 1911 (when mother's maiden name was added to the birth index, if would be impossible to tell if any Mann births registered were to Walter and Ada.
As for whether Walter Mann had another marriage between Ada and Annie, it would be just a matter of searching through the marriage index between Ada dying and the marriage to Annie.
I can have a look for you later but my son needs the computer right now (it's his so I can't complain) and I just keep popping on in between him doing what he has to.
Kath. x
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I've had a look through the marriage index between 1919 and 1927 and can't find another marriage for Walter J. Mann in Leicester.
I really think you need to get the marriage certificate for Walter J. Mann and Annie Kilby to see if it gives any clues about who Walter was married to previously (sometimes but not always it gives the name of the previous spouse).
The witnesses to the marriage may turn out to be relatives that can help with determining the correct family.
Kath. x
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Thanks kath for our help - I will endeavour to get hold of the marriage certificate to see what it tells me. ( thanks also to your son for letting you use his computer !
Gill
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Hi Kath
Hope you are still around - Ref: Walter J Mann - you sent me this on 11.10.07:
However, because this marriage was in 1899, I could look on the 1901 census to see if Walter's wife was called Ada or Eliza and she was called Ada - so I just assumed it was probably Ada Rutter that he married.
Thought you may like to know that I know believe there is a posibility that he married BOTH Ada Rutter(in1899) & Eliza Draper(in 1912) before he married my gran, Annie Kilby (nee Fowkes) in 1927.
I have lots of detective work ahead of me, like: when did Ada die - i have 2 pos deaths 1 in Melton Mowbry Leicester 1919 & 1 in Middlesbro in 1910.
DID he marry Eliza in 1912? Is it the SAME Walter Mann? if so, when did Eliza die (must have been before 1927 cos he married gran! or did he divorce Eliza.
OR, did he only marry Ada & when she died
( latest pos date is 1919), why didnt he marry my gran? He didnt marry her until 1927 - even though they had had a daughter together in 1922 - Irene, (my mum).
Just thought id keep you up to date as you had helped me get half way there!
thanks
regards
Gill
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