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I have found a death record for someone who could have been my great grandfather's brother, who was Herbert Cleaver and he emigrated to Canada in 1911. The death record was for a Herbert R Cleaver died 1980 and states place of death as Orange, Florida, and gives date of birth as 1893 which was the same year as Herbert in my tree. What would be the best way to find out of this was the same Herbert Cleaver?

Angela

Do you have the exact birth date of your Herbert? The SSDI gives birthdate as 21 June 1893.

Unfortunately not, I only know his birth was registered in 3rd qtr of 1893

Angela

Course, you know what I'm going to say, Angela! You've got to buy that certificate to get the exact birthdate to see if it matches the one who died in Florida. And you're going to say, but it's not my direct ancestor, I can't afford any more certificates! Just your luck that he must have come to Canada after the 1911 census. That gives month of birth.
How about asking for a look-up on the American censuses? I'm trying to remember if they give birthdates. Of course you won't know when he went to America. I'm thinking out loud here, can you tell?
Margaret

Hi Angela
If you have any idea of when he went to Canada why don't you post a polite request asking if anyone can do a lookup for you? People tend to be very generous with their time and subscription fees on this board. They may be able to find his date of birth and who he travelled with and a home address in the UK from the documents. The immigration records may also tell you his height, hair colour, etc.
Good luck
Paul

Hi Angela.

Found marriage in Ontario............

Herbert Cleaver/ Amy Jane Hayward Nov 2nd 1912 Toronto.
Both appear to be born in Kent.
Parents names.... Frederick Cleaver/Francis Page
William Hayward/Susannah Emma Andrews.

PM email address for image.

Malcolm.

Thanks guys.

I had already known who he married, and when he travelled to Canada. I am going to be writting to some Cleaver's in Toronto who could be descendents of Herbert and Amy. Hopefully, if they were relatives of Herbert, they might be willing toshare some info with me. As for purchasing birth certificates, at the mo I am double skint and can't spend any more money, yet!

Angela

If he does turn out to be the Herbert Cleaver registered in Blean and living in Marshside in 1901 - let me know if you want a picture of the Gate Inn at Marshside - we pop out there on a fairly regular basis.

Marshside is still a small place!

Jill

While it is still possible it is "your" Herbert, perhaps it isn't.

Social Security Death Index
Name: Herbert Cleaver
Last Residence: 32703 Apopka, Orange, Florida, United States of America
Born: 21 Jun 1893
Last Benefit: 32804 Orlando, Orange, Florida, United States of America
Died: Jan 1980
State (Year) SSN issued: Pennsylvania (Before 1951 )

I believe he applied for his social security card in Pennsylvania.

1900 United States Federal Census
Name: Herbert R Cleaver
Home in 1900: New Oxford, Adams, Pennsylvania
Age: 6
Estimated birth year: abt 1894
Birthplace: Pennsylvania
Relationship to head-of-house: Son
Father's name: Horace
Mother's name: Kate F
Race: White
Household Members:
Name Age
Horace Cleaver 28
Kate F Cleaver 29
Charles R Cleaver 8
Herbert R Cleaver 6
Horace R Cleaver 4
Harvey R Cleaver 3
Edison F Reichart 17

Herbert's month of birth appears to be June.

Just found this:
U.S. World War II Draft Registration Cards, 1942
Name: Herbert Reichert Cleaver
Birth Date: 21 Jun 1893
Residence: Delaware, Pennsylvania
Birth: Limekiln, Pennsylvania

I didn't see his name here, but my great-uncle's name isn't listed either.

Soldiers of the First World War - CEF
http://www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/archivianet/cef/index-e.html

"Over 600,000 Canadians enlisted in the Canadian Expeditionary Force (CEF) during the First World War (1914-1918). The CEF database is an index to those personnel files, which are held by Library and Archives Canada. To date, over 800,000 images of Attestation papers have been scanned and are being made available on-line."

(The database includes those born in England.)

Hi

If your Angela Lyons then it is Herbert John Cleaver you should be looking for, born 1910

regards

Mary