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My great grandfather James Williams 1860c

Where would St Pauls Gravesend be I have seached but no luck

In the 1881 (in the navy ),and 1901 (Gloucester )census claims to be born St Pauls Gravesend Kent
also his sister Isabella Williams 1865c 1901 census (Bristol ).

Can not trace their births or them in any other census,

have James navel records claims to have been born sept 1860,

but born 1857 on his marriage ( father John a miller ) certificate in 1883,

then born 1862 on his death certificate.

any ideas cheers Annabel

If he was born in Gravesend - and baptised there - you might find his baptism record online at Medway's site Cityark. Once you get used to searching on the site it's reatively straightforward and would save you £7 for a certificate.

Jill

This is the nearest I can find for his sister:-

Name: Isabella Sarah Williams
Year of Registration: 1867
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
District: Gravesend (1837-1941)
County: Kent
Volume: 2a
Page: 441

Kath. x

Where was he living when he married?

Could James have had a middle name (after his father perhaps)? There is this birth in Gravesend:-

Name: James John Williams
Year of Registration: 1859
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
District: Gravesend (1837-1941)
County: Kent
Volume: 2a
Page: 280

Kath. x

Looking at the 1901 image for Isabella - her age might be 34. Ancestry reckon it's 36 - which it might be. An 1867 birth might be right for her ...

What was James' wife's name and have you found them in 1891?

1891:

James J Williams
Age: 3
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1888
Relation: Son
Father's Name: James
Mother's Name: Annie
Gender: Male
Where born: Gloucestershire, England

Civil Parish: St Mary de Lode
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary de Lode
Town: Gloucester
County/Island: Gloucestershire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

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Registration district: Gloucester
Sub-registration district: St Nicholas
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
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Household Members:
Name Age
Annie Williams 32
James Williams 33
James J Williams 3
Maude Williams 1
Walter A Williams 7

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Source Citation: Class: RG12; Piece: 2012; Folio 67; Page 7; GSU roll: 6097122.

Address is 32a St Mary's Square.

James is a gen lab. And on this one it says he was born in Bristol. Also says oldest boy Walter was born in Gloucester - 1901 says Walter was born in Cornwall.

Hi thank you for your replies

Jill
have looked at the Medway city site no luck

Kathleen

will try and trace that Isabella Sarah Williams on some census, have the birth cert for James John Williams 1859 not him also Isabell Wiliams born 1866 not her

The following I know

Jame williams born 25th september 1860 signed on the navy for ten years in 1878 hard to read but was at sea before then as his second trip ended march 1876 , records end July 1881

but was on the HMS Ganges when he married in Falmouth april 1883 gave his fathers name as John William occupation miller,
he married Annie Paull born 1857c parish of voge st day cornwall have yet to trace her birth but got her on the 1881 census.

James Wiliams died Gloucester 1909 aged 47 Isabella Williams was present at the death gave her address in Bristol same as she did in1901 census.

I have 1881, 1891 and 1901 census my grandmother was their daughter Maud Williams born 1890

Annabel

I can't find them on the 1891 census but on the 1901 census James gives his age as 45 which would mean he was born 1855/1856 and not 1860.

Men didn't always give their correct age when joining the forces.

UPDATE - sorry just realised that Jill has posted the 1891 census details.

Kath. x

HMS Ganges was a training ship so he would have been in England at the time. If you google you should find pictures. I have found records of the ship in a couple of old naval books. It's one of the very old types of ships - fascinating to think they spent time on it!

My grandfather was on that one. If you can't find photos send me a pm (mention Ganges otherwise I'll forget what it's about- and include your e-mail) and I'll take some photos of the pictures I've got.

Jill

My Bonds were from Gravesend late 1700s to first half of 1800s. But they were baptised at St.Georges mostly, but some at St.Peter & St.Paul in Milton by Gravesend.

Sorry, I'm no help I just was excited to see your post lol.