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The only trouble with this particualr set of rules cmd is that they are very open to interpretation and can be twisted to suit.

Dear Eldrick,
your question of which side would God take..... tricky....
here is my thoughts and opinion.....not to everyones taste.
I was under the opinion, as an EX member of the
C of E that it represented the teachings of God and Jesus, and that the clergy work for the C of E.(as they get paid.to be clergy) so as employees, they should be using the company rule book....which is the Bible.....
The Bible is credited as being the word of God, so therefore they should be preaching that word, and teachings, contained in the company work-book....But it appears as if some although they are an employee, do not like to stick to the company rules....so go about trying to change,alter, and oppose it...

In most companies, if you dont abide by the rules...you are OUT..

I am confused as to why they stop there.. why dont they go and set up their own church..... or is it the wages they enjoy.? and the prestige, of being clergy..or whatever!!
just my thoughts.

Absolutely right May... it wasn't.... it was in the interpretation of it by men, and the exploitation of it in later years by men because of the power and control... the Bible story, is the most beautiful ever told in my opinion.... but I don't like what was done with that beauty...... it became corrupted!

Love

Daff xxx

Oh, I guess you're right, Kitty. If someone is hateful, then yeah, I wish distress on 'em if they don't get their own hateful way. Really does seem only fair. Still their own choice.

Can't recall anywhere in the Bible where it says women can't be priests, bishops or church leaders.

OH well their goes religion down the pan then

lol Kitty.... I had to go back in and correct the mistakes.... didn't dare stop as I was on a roll!!

Oh and forgot to say, it's about time power was devolved to women... and yes I did let my dad *give me away* as I was 17 and didn't know different!!

But the wedding vow renewal was at St Davids, was totally different...... and St Davids is not only the site of the Cathedral, but also ancient Pagan thingies....

Love

Daff xxx

Oh Daff.....................well said:))

I am a bit foggy and befuddled today.... been stuck in google and am all googled out... so here I am trawling into the recesses of my memory.... forgive if anything is not quite right, facts wise, but the principles are certainly true!!


Organised religion was started and has been controlled since it began, by men and for men, because it was a force in it's own right, with power and wealth separate from the Kings... it is all about Control, Wealth and Power.... and we have the vestiges of it today in our *traditionalist churches*.... of every denomination and type, almost.... .

The marriage service, where it is asked.... *who giveth away this woman* is the traditional wedding ceremony of a woman sold in marriage to the highest bidder in order to consolidate lands, wealth and title to the husband and the father.

The church also recruited from the second sons of the rich and famous, on the whole.... again, it was about power, control and wealth.

Women had no part to play other than as a currency and a brood mare........ in most circumstances... there are plenty of exceptions to that rule I know.

So although I believe in the Father, the Son and the Holy Ghost, I do NOT believe in the Church as an Institution..... it always was, and still is, all about Control Wealth and Power, no matter which Church you are looking at.

It is said in the bible that WHEREVER two or more people are gathered together to worship, there is My Temple.

For me, the Temple is in the beauty of our world.... not in the magnificent but man made edifices put up to declare that this Bishop or that is a better person cos his edifice is bigger!!

Here endeth the first lesson!!

Love

Daff

Sorry Kathryn..............I must have the wrong end of the stick again.

Your last sentence saying "I wish all possible distress on 'em" confused me:)

Oh Kitty -- I don't *wish* distress on 'em!

They choose their distress. They're at perfect liberty to choose to be decent human beings, and get distressed about things that decent human beings actually get distressed about!

Violence against women, hungry children, illegal wars ...

No, I cant either - if that sort of thing is what you are into. I'm not but each to their own.

But it is rather revealing that a good proportion of the church of england, albeit the slight minority, think differently.

So there we have it.

I don't wish distress on anyone...............but it makes me uncomfortable that some people are so deeply into their faith, that common sense and the real world passes them by.

I can't see any reason why women shouldn't be bishops.

Here's me, happily taking joy in the distress of the poor misunderstood 'traditionalists'.

I'll take joy in the distress of anybody who causes distress to others, frankly. I admit it.

Anybody who thinks its just 'not right' for women to be able to do anything that a human being is capable of doing, and that it's just fine for men to do, is hateful. I wish all possible distress on 'em.

Not really believing in a God. Mother Nature is in my mind the whole reason any of us are here (not just on GR lol), but an intelligent force pulling strings etc isn't something that I can believe in. Especially when I see so much suffering in the world.

OK let's get it started:-

I believe in one God, The Father Almight, Maker of Heaven and earth........ the creed .

What do you believe? no arguments, just beliefs .

Yep May. That could spark a very heated debate. :) Or in fact whether there is a God at all.

Gerald, anyone who uses a book, that was written when fairly primitive humankind was trying to explain the world, as a reason for discriminating against other human beings deserves to be ridiculed imho. And when they get told 'Actually we're doing it this way, because it is the right and fair way to do it' then I take joy in right prevailing.

Do you mean whether there is one God or not?

Now there's a subject ripe for debate May! ;)