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Couldn't disagree more

If going to school causes a child distress then the child has not been prepared for that part of their life by the parents,

As for being afraid of the teachers, I was never afriad of any teacher despite my experiance, I was simply prepared for what was going to happen IF i stepped out of line,

No wonder more and more kids today cannot cope with real life once they leave school and venture out into the big wide world.

Roy

I have only ever been a child and not had many dealings with them since but I am interested to know how you did deal with the disruptive behaviour, Lynda.

I don't know if you are highly trained but it is interesting that you were able to deal with the problem whereas a highly trained teacher was not.

Lynda, I don't think putting tape around a childs mouth is the same as giving a child a good hiding, And discipline at home doesn't mean a parent giving a child a good hiding either,

My children were disciplined at home and we have never laid a finger on any of our children,

Why do people think that discipline and violance are one and the same thing.

Roy

And there you have it, Lynda!

The proverbial nail on the head.

Discipline should and must begin at home.

Teachers do a jolly good job in often very trying circumstances and I think we may not know all the facts in this particular case anyway.
I saw one parent interviewed on television, whose child was in the class, and she was finding it hard to suppress a giggle.
Lynda, interacting with children, however disruptive, in the home is very different compared to controlling a class of 30.
As I said earlier, for all we know this teacher could have reached the end of their tether. That may not excuse the resultant action but it could explain why.

On a lighter note, I am reminded of a cousin who taught in a somewhat demanding environment in one of those inner city schools in Liverpool.
I asked him what he taught and he looked me straight in the eye and replied: "Little b***ards!"

Dealing with one or two disruptive children at home cannot compare to a teachers experience of constant goading and abuse from a classroom full of children

Yes abuse is not something that only adults do to children,

Some children are experts at dishing out abuse to adults.

Roy

I wonder where they learned to do that and why they would want to.

Learnt behaviour one word "Parents"

And i don't care what enyone thinks fact is WE ALL have a breaking point

Roy

Absolutely agree with you Roy

So, they learn the behaviour from their parents.

How does that make the children need punishment?

Punishment

noun

The infliction or imposition of a penalty as retribution for an offence.

But how are they committing any offence if they are being compliant with the opinions of their parents?

Poor Children must be traumatised I do hope the teacher faces a criminal charge

If you teach, or look after children in any capacity, and you feel the need to hit out, or tape up mouths, look for another job.

Bottom line is keep your hands to yourself, if you want to hit or abuse someone, pick on someone your own size, If you want to hit children, expect a knock on the door.

Sharron, I refer you to my earlier post.

My children were disciplined at home and we have never laid a finger on any of our children,

Why do people think that discipline and violance are one and the same thing.

And punishment is the wrong word,

You have two choices

1, Do nothing and nothing will be passed on to the next generation

or

2, Do something to instill discipline and respect in children

1, IMO this situation existes today because we have now had a couple of generations who have now had children that never recieved any parenting skills from their parents

This has been a downward spiral ever since they abolished corporal punishmen, Whilst i did agree at the time that corporal punishmen was wrong and i didn't want it for my children i think the system has gone wrong because of the "unintended consequences"

It was expected that parents where capable of teaching children how to behave along with respect, responsibility and keeping discipline, It appears not all parents are capable,

Roy

I have set the cat among the pigeons haven't I?
I do believe a lot of what Errol says is right and think it is a hard job these days controlling children who are left to their own devices much more by their parents than years ago when everyone sat round the table for meals and their problems were discussed.

My cousin who was a very good teacher in inner city Leeds left her job after trying to deal with big lads who towered over her and threatened to bring their mates with baseball bats.she was heading for a nervous breakdown.

I don't condone using methods that we were subjected to,but this PC has gone too far.

A lot of children IMHO have far too many material things and can tend to be more demanding than we were...and know the system...not saying all,but there are some who can wrap their parents round their fingers who give in to give them what they want and life isn't like that.

I saw this happening a long time ago when my daughters 4 were at school and they were called the £2.99 kids as she'd bought them clothes from a big chain and not a Niki or such....know this is not to do with punishment but shows the difference in society today.

I don't condone harsh punishment and wouldn't like to go back to the ways we were treated,but I certainly wouldn't like to be a school teacher now as they have to be so careful not to step out of line.

Who owns the past? It cannot be reversed.

~Lynda~

5 Mar 2014 09:51

"If you teach, or look after children in any capacity, and you feel the need to hit out, or tape up mouths, look for another job.

Bottom line is keep your hands to yourself, if you want to hit or abuse someone, pick on someone your own size, If you want to hit children, expect a knock on the door."

I don't think hitting or abusing a person of any age is actually acceptable to be honest.

Again, do we have all the facts in this instance?
And also, again, looking after a couple of children in the home environment is very different compared to a room of 30 screaming, running, abusive kids.

Classrooms are not particularly pleasant places in many cases these days and the cosy image of quiet classes with all children dilligently carrying out their tasks is ill-informed and pure fantasy.

I think some are being quick to judge theses children home lifes without knowing the facts or their parents skills as parents, it could be that they all come from very nice respected familes, why does everyone always suspect that their parents sit on bums drinking cheap cider watching large screen TV's wearing dirty tracksuits, do you not remember the riots from a couple of years ago and some of so called professional people in the dock, or how many times do you hear about middle class chilren that went to school with the royals with a drug problem.

How many parents of these poor children have actual received a call from school previously concerning their childs behaviour and either offered their upmost support or been advised them to call back when Jeremy Kyle has finished? We just don't know. I am a child of the 60's went to school in the 70's I knew what teachers I could play up and wouldnt dare, I also knew what would happen if my Mum was told and also remember her outraged when she saw the black and purple imprint of a pump on the top fo my leg.

Roy, I have not written anything on here that relates to your children, just children in general from, I hope, the point of view of the children who are bewildered and frightened, or were so, by a system that they are compelled to be a part of.

A.S. Neill succeeded in turning out well rounded successful individuals by his radical methods of progressive education which gave his students a great deal more autonomy than they are, or ever have been in mainstream education.

This was after he had been a disillusioned teacher who was so appalled by the brutality of mainstream methods that he studied the methods of Homer Lane who had had tremendous results in helping badly psychologically abused boys in America.

Hayley

I am not saying its a matter of class..rich or poor...it is society and the way children learn to get their own way.
They nearly all sit with mobile phones or tablets ,not much conversation except with their peers,grown up before their time...talking about my own great granddaughters now 10/11.and behaving like 15/16 year olds..of course they can't all play out as we did.
My granddaughter told me that one of the mothers went up to school to complain about a teacher in reception class who looked down the back of a child's pants to see if she had to be changed...would she like the child to be in dirty pants till home time?
That teacher was suspended for a while.

All I say is it's gone too far.I love children,but it is very noticeable to my generation that the respect isn't there in a lot of cases to make them into polite people.