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thank you OFITG

Why didnt they tell the hospital he wanted to take their son home,,then seek the treatment they so desperately is wanting for their son,,,,,,they would have been free to make choices,instead of the situation him and his wife are in now,such a sad affair for all the family...and like a parent any chance is better than no chance when their child is involved..

The authorities Uk and Spanish are callous in their actions to deprive that little boy his loving parents and siblings.......

The Czech clinic were contacted by the father on August 20th. They contacted Southampton hospital for medical details about the child. There was no reply.

They said they are happy to see him and possibly treat him if he's a suitable candidate. They have treated children before.

so Southampton hospital were aware of their intentions

Re my comment of yesterday about hospital staff having no cause to worry till family and child had been off the ward for two hours.

I should have said 2 + hours.

With changes of staff perhaps they didn't even notice how long A. had been gone.

As staff eventually started to get concerned, they would surley phone parents on mobile or home phone, check with other members of staff (now off duty), check other areas of the hospital, give parents another few minutes etc etc. before contacting the police.

This would all mount up. There is a POSSIBILITY too, that some staff members had no problem with the thought that the parents had taken their child away from the hospital.

It still seems all wrong to me that the parents are still under arrest and being kept away from their child (i.e. the child is being kept away from his parents).

This seems to me to be the greatest infringement of the childs rights.

I hope common sense will prevail.

This is such a tragic story.This little boy needs his Mummy and Daddy with him RIGHT NOW.

I am very disturbed and upset about the treatment of Aysha King's parents and family, and the fact that now, poor little Aysha is in a hospital without his family being allowed to see him.

I watched a video of Aysha's father, Brett King, explaining why they took him from the hospital. After watching the video, I am fully in support of the parents. The father has actually said that one of the Drs told him that if he didn't stop asking him questions, then he would get a court order (or child protection order) which would prevent the parents from seeing him - as we know that has already happened with them been arrested. I think that is an awful attitude of the Dr - its more or less blackmail by the drs.

The video has been edited and cut in parts by the media, so their older son who is 20, has put the full version on youtube.
Have a watch of it and see what you all think.

This is the video of what the Father says.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=14ETQn9ZPwk

This is ASHYA'S brother, Naveed King
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vYSKyY12LEg

These are Naveed King's updates on youtube
https://www.youtube.com/user/NaveedKingvlogs

I am disturbed about this case and I do, and I'm sure you all have sympathy for this lad and his family but PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE get his name right.



It's ASHYA..

Bob
thanks Ann, I see that the op is now correct...

Sorry Bob - I have no excuse for spelling mistake, except I was doing it from memory, and should have checked. :-)

yeah we all do it I think, type it, send it, and not often proof read it before hand...
me included......

not only you, Jan.......

Bob - I didn't put his full name because I couldn't remember where the "Y" went.

Now that I know (thanks Bob).

Thinking of you little Ashya and all your family.

Allan, I was saying that if it would mean the parents could be with their son, then they wouldn't mind a police guard on his room in Spain, not the hospitals are prisons, but there is a guard on the little boy now apparently even tho his parents are locked up and his family not allowed to see him. His brother who keeps posting messages to Ashya and about him, said the eldest brother went to try and visit him and wasn't allowed in. Also someone from the family, I think it was the grandmother, said Ashya doesn't understand Spanish so must be terribly frightened. Poor little mite. All that precious time and comfort lost between son and family.

How cruel and unfeeling the authorities must be to even contemplate stopping the family from being together. The doctor who authorised the Wardship should be ashamed of himself and all those police etc involved in what they have done should feel guilty that they have made this little lad's life even more difficult than before. I hope commensense soon prevails and the family can be together and better treatment taken up for Ashya.

Bless his little heart.

Lizx

Tthe parents of little Ashya have spent another night in a Spanish jail, while Ashya has spent another night without the comfort and love of his parents,in a Spanish hospital with armed police guarding him, .

Many reports are saying that the reason the UK authorities took action against Ashya's parents was because the authorities believed that, by taking Ashya out of Southampton General Hospital, his parents were neglecting the care that Ashya needed.

Neglecting the care that Ashya needs - I would question who is actually neglecting Ashya's needs, in my view it is the authorities, every step they have taken has been the wrong step, the the authorities have dug themselves into a hole and as each day passes they are digging themselves in deeper to try and justify their actions.

They should stop digging because their actions to date have resulted in Ashya's needs being neglected, not only are their actions denying Ashya the chance of an alternative treatment, they are also denying him the love ant attention of his parents - that to me is the real tale of neglect in this whole sad affair.

I just hope the Spanish judge throws out the European Arrest Warrant and allows Ashya to be back with his family and that his parents can get Ashya the treatment that may prolong his life - today would not be soon enough.

There have been some developments about the little Ashya situation:-

The first is that Ashya's brother Danny visited him twice yesterday and also this morning a hospital spokeswoman told ITV News. The hospital spokeswoman also said that a police officer is present in Ashya's room at all times.

The second is that the Deputy Prime Minister Nick Clegg told Good Morning Britain "the full force of the law" should not have been thrown at the parents of Ashya King and called for the family to be reunited.

The development is that the Conservative MP Tim Loughton has said that by the end of today the CPS needs to have dropped the case and that Hampshire Police need to apologise and work out how they ever got in this mess in the first place. He added that the NHS needs to offer to fly back the family and provide the proton treatment at the one clinic in the UK that offers this or - facilitate the treatment at the specialist hospital in the Czech Republic. He also said that the Health Secretary and the Home Secretary need to bang some bureaucratic heads together.

On the other hand,
IF the boy had come to some real harm,

what would the consensus be, if the police and others had done nothing?

I think that they went over the top, but they really HAD to take some action.....

as was said earlier,

damned if they do, and damned if they dont

This whole affair is not only confusing, it changes by the hour, we now have Donna Jones, the leader of Portsmouth City Council, the authority "which began the legal action" after Ashya King was removed from hospital without his doctor's consent - issuing a statement urging the Crown Prosecution Service "to urgently review the case" and "remove any extradition proceedings, so the family can be reunited with their five-year-old son"

Is Donna Jones the leader of Portsmouth City Council - the council who started the legal proceedings - now saying they got it wrong :-S :-S :-S

Whether they were right or wrong it should not have gone this far.
When they spoke to the parents and knew their intentions, to deny them staying with him in hospital was unbelievable.
The poor sick little boy,in a strange place without his mother is cruel.
Surely there are circumstances where the authorities can think outside the box when there is no harm to the child.
This is also costing police time and money unnecessarily.

The more I read about this sad affair, the more I lean towards the view, that some consultant took the hump when Ashya's parents dared to question his/her prognosis on Ashya's chances of surviving from the tumour he was suffering from, they were not prepared to accept that prognosis and the consultant decided to do all possible to thwart the parents efforts to have Ashya treated else where - there are consultants who think they are some sort of demigod whose professional judgement should never questioned.

I say this in the light, of what Dr Michael Marsh the Medical Director at University Hospital Southampton NHS Foundation Trust said, which was "It's really important that the family and the medical and nursing teams have good communication and relationships. In Ashya's case we really regret that the communication and relationship broke down to the extent that the family lost trust in the team that were caring for him."

Why is it, when things go wrong, those in authority never seem to put their hands up and say - sorry we messed up as we never intended for things to turn out as they did?

On another note - even the Prime Minister David Cameron is saying Ashya should be reunited with his parents, he knows how they must be feeling as he and his wife nursed and lost a child, he said:-

"I obviously, like everyone else in the country, want to see this poor little boy re-united with his parents.

Watching the pictures of him brought back memories of my desperately ill young boy, Ivan, and I remember him endlessly sitting on my lap and having to feed him through a tube and having to deal with all of the difficulties of having a desperately ill child, but you know, the Government must not tell the police how to act or what to do, nor can we interfere in processes in other countries.

I just hope there'll be an outbreak of common sense, a rapid outbreak of common sense, so that the family can be re-united with this young boy and the best treatment can be given to him either in the United Kingdom or elsewhere, and the Health Secretary is doing his bit to make sure we examine our own procedures here in the UK."

CPS are attempting to withdraw the EAW and the Spanish courts are trying to get the Kings released.

If that happens, great! BUT that leaves the family with the very difficult position of Ashya being a ward of court. They would have no say in his treatment if that stands.

supercrutch - I read that on breaking news on ITV News:-

ITV News is reporting that the Crown Prosecution Service is seeking to withdraw the arrest warrant for the parents of brain tumour patient Ashya King, a High Court judge has been told.

ITV News are also reporting that Hampshire's Chief Constable Andy Marsh has said today Ashya King "needs both medical treatment and for his parents to at his side" adding "The situation today is not right."

It may be that the High Court today will strike down the Ward of Court Order - fingers crossed that they will.