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Will David Cameron need to eat his words - Update
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OneFootInTheGrave | Report | 17 Sep 2014 12:23 |
Prime Minister David Cameron will not stand down if Scotland votes to go independent. Speaking to reporters during a visit in Fleet, Hampshire, he said he would leave it to voters at next year's general election to decide his future. |
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SheilaSomerset | Report | 17 Sep 2014 12:49 |
I think he will find things difficult. He's maybe regretting that he didn't allow the 'devo max' option on the ballot papers and went down the 'all or nothing' route, thinking that the NO vote would be certain. The latest trips up north by the 3 Amigos smack of desperation, but I think they could do little else - would have looked worse if they had sat on their behinds back at Westminster. Unfortunately it is hard to make the NO campaign sound really positive :-) |
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JoyBoroAngel | Report | 17 Sep 2014 12:59 |
some of my Scottish friends are voting yes and some no |
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OneFootInTheGrave | Report | 17 Sep 2014 13:07 |
SheilaWestWilts - the reason I asked the question was that I think it was a serious error of judgement by Westminster and David Cameron not to include the devo-max option on the referendum ballot paper. |
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Merlin | Report | 17 Sep 2014 13:13 |
Three Amigos??? More like the three Stooges. |
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RolloTheRed | Report | 17 Sep 2014 13:26 |
Why should he stand down with a yes vote? Tory mps passed the referendum bill which has a clause that both sides must respect the result. Thus Tory mps have no basis to dump DC. Otoh the 3 leaders are on very thin ice with the recent DevoMax pledge which is a curate's egg. Getting it through parliament may be so contentious that rUk may be better off with a yes vote. My Scottish rellies in Dundee and Galloway are voting NO those in Glasgow yes. Imho a yes vote suggests the voter prefers Braveheart to Adam Smith. An independent Scotland would be nothing of the kind. If the vote is yes many English people will wake up on Friday to discover that one or both of their parents is a non Eu foreigner. Curious. |
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OneFootInTheGrave | Report | 17 Sep 2014 13:28 |
JoyBoroAngel - I have quite a large family up in Fife and quite a lot of friends, most are from the old coal mining areas, and the majority are voting "Yes" :-( |
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GlasgowLass | Report | 17 Sep 2014 13:32 |
I was on holiday, but I saw the news clips with everyone dashing up here. |
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OneFootInTheGrave | Report | 17 Sep 2014 13:41 |
As to why should he stand down with a yes vote, two thoughts come to find, firstly the old maxim - the buck stops here, secondly the almighty chaos, administratively & constitutionally, that will ensue from granting devo-max to Scotland if they vote No. |
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GlasgowLass | Report | 17 Sep 2014 13:58 |
The Scottish electorate did not vote David Cameron into office |
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RolloTheRed | Report | 17 Sep 2014 14:02 |
Labour and the LibDems are chiefly responsible for the ill thought DevoMax pledge drafted by Gordon Brown no less. Milliband is one if those insider politicians who haven't got a clue when it comes to reality just like Hollande in France. DevoMax cannot be got through the current parliament. Salmond has to be right about something. GE 2015 the Tories will use it to hold Milliband & Cleggs toes to the fire and turn a probable defeat into a win. Whatever way the vote goes it is going to take awful lot of kindness cup to repair Scottish relations with the redt of the Uk. Some large companies will be moving D south whatever they cannot afford the risk and uncertainty. |
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OneFootInTheGrave | Report | 17 Sep 2014 14:10 |
GH - as to what would happen if David Cameron resigned and who would replace him, is not an easy question to answer. |
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ElizabethK | Report | 17 Sep 2014 14:44 |
I am still wondering what Alex Salmond's position will be if it is a "NO" vote-sfter all he started all this ! |
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RolloTheRed | Report | 17 Sep 2014 15:03 |
Wee eck will be fine with a no vote devomax is what he wanted in the first place. It is brave Dave who insisted on yes/no question. Contrast with Eu referendum where Dave is determined that exit will not be an option. Sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander. |
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OneFootInTheGrave | Report | 17 Sep 2014 15:04 |
ElizabethK - if it is a No Vote I think there should be an immediate general election called in Scotland to elect a new Scottish government, the voters in Scotland should use their common sense and consign, Alex Salmond and his cronies, to the dustbin of history :-D |
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InspectorGreenPen | Report | 17 Sep 2014 17:35 |
Presumably a yes vote will mean immediate resignation of all Scotish MP's from Westminster. |
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Graham | Report | 17 Sep 2014 18:19 |
"Who would take David Cameron's place though ?" - GH (13:14) |
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GlasgowLass | Report | 17 Sep 2014 18:28 |
I noticed something over the last few days in my area of Lanarkshire |
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RolloTheRed | Report | 17 Sep 2014 18:56 |
During the last Quebec campaign the public face of the "oui" campaign suggested a runaway win for independence. The nons won. In Scotland as well many many people intending to vote no will have declared dk and chosen not to display signs. The polling has been 100% phone/online which will skew against older people. Given the high turn out expected and the one off nature of the vote means that the range of polling statistical error is far greater than most people realise. |
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OneFootInTheGrave | Report | 18 Sep 2014 08:10 |
InspectorGreenPen - at this precise moment in time, the 2015 general election would take place as normal, the reason being, that until the actual date in 2016 that Scotland becomes an independent sovereign nation, constitutionally the people of Scotland must be represented at Westminster. so in the 2015 general election. Scotland will elect MPs to Westminster and they will represent Scotland until the date of independence. |
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