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Also take into count that boys could marry at twelve girls I think fourteen but may be TOTALY wrong ,and why dose my i pad suddenly change to caps when I can't fix it on caps myself

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there were no certificates for births, marriages or deaths before July 1 1837 ................. that's when registration became law


and most Parish Registers before that don't show even the fathers ................ plus before about 1830, the mother's name is often omitted from baptism records.


I have seen a number of early baptism records, say before about 1820, where it will say something like the following ................


John son of Robert Smith and wife Esther daughter of William Roberts


those are very useful!


But that kind of information seems to be very much up to the vicar, or even the part of the country

Thanks again , but it doesn't fit with my family . the wrong David Thomas .I have found another one ,born the same year and died a year different . think that one is more likely . With the name of Thomas it's not easy . That's why I tried to find the wife's side. I didn't know there were no marriage certificates before 1837

Thanks everyone .

snap, Jax :-)

From FMP
Glamorgan Baptisms Transcription
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First name(s) ANNE
Last name STRADLING
Birth year 1816
Baptism year 1816
Baptism day 26
Baptism month Sep
Baptism place COITY
Father's first name(s) Watkin
Mother's first name(s) Elinor
County Glamorganshire
Country Wales
Record set Glamorgan Baptisms
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Record collection Births & baptisms
Collections from Great Britain

He was a labourer

???????


from familysearch ................



Wales, Glamorgan Parish Registers, 1558-1900

Name: David Thomas
Event Type: Baptism
Event Date: 1815
Event Place: St. Brides Major, Glamorgan, Wales
Address: St Brides
Occupation: Lab
Father's Name: Evan
Mother's Name: Margaret



same place that he gives as his birth place on that 1851 Census, if that is your family




there are a couple of possibles for Ann, from the same site .............


Wales, Glamorgan Parish Registers, 1558-1900

Name: Anne Stradling
Event Type: Baptism
Event Date: 26 Sep 1816
Event Place: Coity, Glamorganshire, Wales
Digital Folder Number: 004173928


this might be the same Anne, but with parents' names ............


Name: Anne Stradling
Event Type: Baptism
Event Date: 1816
Event Place: Coity, Glamorgan, Wales
Address: Coity
Occupation: Lab
Father's Name: Watkin
Mother's Name: Elinor

birth years on the 1841 Census may be up to 4 years out, as the age of people over the age of 15 were supposed to be rounded down to the nearest 5


so it always wisest to try to find someone on later censuses, if at all possible.


This looks like the family in 1851 ............. with the eldest child either dead or working away from home. It does look as though both David and Ann were born in approximately 1816



1851 Census

Name: David Thomas
Age: 35
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1816
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Ann Thomas
Gender: Male
Where born: St Brides Major, Glamorgan, Wales
Civil Parish or Township: Coity Higher
County/Island: Glamorgan
Country: Wales
Registration district: Bridgend
Sub-registration district: Maesteg
ED, institution, or vessel: 7
Piece: 2461
Folio: 580
Page Number: 19
Household schedule number: 60

David Thomas 35 Ag Lab
Ann Thomas 35 b.ca 1816, Coity Higher
Elizabeth Thomas 12 b.ca 1839, Coity Higher
Evan Thomas 7 b.ca 1844, Coity Higher
Catherine Thomas 5 b.ca 1846, Coity Higher
Sarah Thomas 3 b.ca 1848, Coity Higher
John Thomas 1 b.ca 1850, Coity Higher

Address:- Coity



Does this family fit the information that you already have????

on Parish Register records of marriages before July 1 1837, you do only get either "of full age" or "minor"


"of full age" means over the age of 21

"minor" means under the age of 21.


You will not find any other record in England and Wales before the start of registration on July 1 1837.

Registration began in Scotland in 1855.

1841

Name: David Thomas
Age: 25
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1816
Gender: Male
Where born: Glamorgan, Wales
Civil Parish: Coyty
Hundred: Newcastle
County/Island: Glamorgan
Country: Wales
Street address: View image
Occupation: View image
Registration district: Brigend
Sub-registration district: Bridgend
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 1422
Book: 7
Folio: 9
Page Number: 11
Household Members:
Name Age
David Thomas 25
Ann Thomas 20
Ann Thomas 4
Elizabeth Thomas 2

On a tree on ansestry

Not confirmed but same Wife


David THOMAS
Birth 1816 in Coity, Glamorgan, Wales
Death 1885

Have you found death has it the age on that

I thought there maybe an image on FMP but ....No

I have not found any pre 1837 that gives any info re ages or parents ...the odd one has given an occupation though

The above is taken from the Parish Registers and that is the only record there is, as official registration didn't start until 1837.

It is, of course, possible that the transcription has left out bits, but this I think is unlikely. Some parish records give ages, parents and even snippets of other information, but others simply give the bare minimum.

If you've seen the parish register it should show the witness's. That could help determine the correct family.

What sort of certificate are you hoping to get pre-1837?

Did they have children, for mother's maiden name?

Hello. I have found the following wedding , but it does not give the couples ages . . As David Thomas is such a common name ,if I knew the age It would help to prove it was the right one .before I send for the wrong certificate. it mentions Banns but I can't find them .
First Name ANN
Last Name STRADLING
Collections from Great Britain
Country Wales
Category Births, Marriages & Deaths
Record collection Marriages & divorces
Record set Glamorgan Marriage Index pre-1837
County Glamorganshire
Year 1836
Month Aug
Bride First ANN
Bride Last Name STRADLING
Groom First Name DAVID
Groom Last Name THOMAS
Birth Year
Place COITY
Notes after banns
Year 1836
Bride Parish COITY
Groom Parish COITY
Day 30