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16 Nov 2014 01:23 |
I think this might be Catherine and parents in census 1851:
1851 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Staindrop Hall, Teesdale, Durham, England Robert Smailes Head Married Male 28 1823 Wood Dealer Newcastle on Tyne, Northumberland, England Mary Smailes Wife - Female 22 1829 - Staindrop, Durham, England Catharine Smailes Daughter - Female 0 1851 - Staindrop, Durham, England<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< Adam Smailes Father Widower Male 60 1791 Wood Dealer Scotland
Marriage of Robert and Mary ? (Teesdale covers Staindrop)
Marriages Dec 1849 (>99%) Blenkinsop Robert Teesdale 24 359 Copeland Mary Teesdale 24 359 <<<<<<<<<<< Johnson William Teesdale 24 359 Maugham Sarah Teesdale 24 359 Richardson Jane Teesdale 24 359 SEDGWICK RALPH Teesdale 24 359 Smales Robert Teesdale 24 359 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< Stevens Margaret Teesdale 24 359
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16 Nov 2014 01:13 |
Burial of first Thomas:
County Durham Place Staindrop Church St Mary RegisterNumber 1060 BurialDate 04 Dec 1881 Forename Thomas Relationship Rel1MaleForename Rel1FemaleForename Rel1Surname Surname WILSON Age 2 Abode Staindrop Notes FileNumber 3665
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16 Nov 2014 01:12 |
Baptism for the first Thomas:
County Durham Place Staindrop Church St Mary RegisterNumber 1723 DateOfBirth BaptismDate 03 Jan 1880 Forename Thomas Sex M FatherForename George MotherForename Caherine FatherSurname WILSON MotherSurname Abode Staindrop FatherOccupation Labourer Notes FileNumber 3694
Henry/Harry:
County Durham Place Staindrop Church St Mary RegisterNumber 1770 DateOfBirth BaptismDate 17 Jun 1881 Forename Henry Sex M FatherForename George MotherForename Catherine FatherSurname WILSON MotherSurname Abode Staindrop FatherOccupation Labourer Notes FileNumber 3694
Margaret
County Durham Place Staindrop Church St Mary RegisterNumber 1927 DateOfBirth BaptismDate 17 Apr 1885 Forename Margaret Sex F FatherForename George MotherForename Catherine FatherSurname WILSON MotherSurname Abode Staindrop FatherOccupation Labourer Notes FileNumber 3694
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16 Nov 2014 00:47 |
Freereg has this baptism:
County Durham Place Staindrop Church St Mary RegisterNumber 1534 DateOfBirth BaptismDate 10 Feb 1875 Forename John Sex M FatherForename MotherForename Catherine FatherSurname MotherSurname SMYLES Abode Staindrop FatherOccupation Notes See also baptism for William SMYLES on same date FileNumber 3694
and the one for William:
County Durham Place Staindrop Church St Mary RegisterNumber 1533 DateOfBirth BaptismDate 10 Feb 1875 Forename William Sex M FatherForename MotherForename Catherine FatherSurname MotherSurname SMYLES Abode Staindrop FatherOccupation Notes See also baptism for John SMYLES on same date FileNumber 3694
Free site: http://www.freereg.org.uk/ (mentioned previously by DetEcTive) Fits in with what Rose said about John (also William) being born before the marriage of their mother to George Wilson.
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16 Nov 2014 00:31 |
but almost everyone was illiterate in the early years of the 19th century :-S :-S :-S :-S
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Budgie Rustler
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15 Nov 2014 21:15 |
Hi Margee seems that the NA are being a little contradictory... :-S
From 1841 to 1901 a census schedule was completed for each household, and was then collected by the enumerator who copied the information into an enumeration book. It is these enumeration books that we consult today online and on microfilm.
http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/records/research-guides/census-returns.htm
Also piccie from 1851 showing "head of house" filling in Census schedule
http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/keepsafe/asset/details/10295713
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MargaretM
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15 Nov 2014 19:42 |
I don't know which one of us has to stand corrected, Budgie Rustler.
From this site: http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/education/resources/19th-century-people/
Everyone in Great Britain is counted on the same night. We fill in our own census forms today, but in Victorian times a census enumerator called at every house and filled in the census forms for them.
And from this site: http://www.sog.org.uk/learn/help-getting-started-with-genealogy/guide-four
Schedules were taken round to each household in advance and details of all the people in the house on census night were filled in by the householder. The forms were then collected by the census enumerator, who might also have to assist in recording details if the householder had difficulty in doing so
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Budgie Rustler
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15 Nov 2014 19:16 |
You only have to work out how much time he would have to spend at some ones abode before travelling to the next abode to realise how it would be too time consuming for one person to do.
All the enumerator did was collect the filled in schedules from each house. And the rest was done back at the office so as to speak. :-)
I`m sure if you do some googling you`ll find out if I am right or wrong. If you do find I`m wrong, I will stand corrected.
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15 Nov 2014 19:08 |
At least one person on this thread is using census transcripts from Ancestry, but they would basically be the same as on GR.
The Birth and Marriage is from the free site http://www.freebmd.org.uk/ Again, the index will be on GR.
Different members have access to different subscription sites - originally GR didn't have any records hence the longer serving members tend to rely on Ancestry for research. No one site has all available on-line records. One person's subs compliments another's. ;-)
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Budgie Rustler
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15 Nov 2014 19:04 |
Hi Margee , Yes I`m certain about the comments I made to John about who filled in the schedule at an occupancy.
I think once the enumerator had checked them and copied/transcribed them into his book they (the schedules) were probably destroyed, and they were the "original" census forms.
The enumerators book ie the digitized ones you see on line are transcribed copies of the original schedule forms.
Yes, there was something different about the 1911 Census, I think maybe the "original" 1911 schedule forms are being kept/stored/digitized maybe all three I don't really know on that count. :-)
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15 Nov 2014 18:54 |
Up to c1901 the census was indeed filled out by the enumerator. That is why the handwriting for a page is all the same even though a page may include several households. In c1841-71 a good chunk of the population were illiterate.
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15 Nov 2014 17:44 |
SMILES John 1875 Teesdale 10a 335.?
Johns birth,
The Smiles children appear to be stepchildren of G Wllson.
Marriage.
Smiles Catherine 1877 Teesdale 10a 338. Wilson George 1877 Teesdale 10a 338.
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MargaretM
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15 Nov 2014 17:39 |
Are you sure of your facts there, Budgie Rustler? I understood that the 1911 census was the first one that the householder was asked to fill in themselves. Up until that time I believe that the enumerator did indeed come to the door and ask the questions mainly because a great percentage of the population were illiterate.
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John
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15 Nov 2014 17:38 |
I am amazed and very grateful at how quickly I received replies about my Grandfather. A lot of information to take in which I need to study and digest. I assume you are using additional web sites other than Genes Reunited. Thanks again.
John F Wilson
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Budgie Rustler
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15 Nov 2014 17:28 |
Hi john, information in any Census is not always 100% accurate, it depends on what is known by whoever fills the schedule in.
Usually a member of the household or a relative or, even one of the parents children could do the honour's and fill in the relative schedule. They were not filled in by an Enumerator knocking on your door,he just collected the completed papers and collated and copied the info into book form.
There are so many more factors that have to be taken into consideration many untruths and some forgetfulness come into the equation. But its fun working the truth out. (if you can) :-)
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15 Nov 2014 17:27 |
1881 England Census about John Smiles Name: John Smiles Age: 6 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1875 Relationship to Head: Son in Law Gender: Male Where born: Staindrop, Durham, England Civil Parish: Staindrop County/Island: Durham Country: England Street address: Southside (73 Black Swan Inn) Education:
Employment status:
View image Occupation: Scholar Registration district: Teesdale Sub registration district: Staindrop ED, institution, or vessel: 13 Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 4932 Folio: 41 Page Number: 6 Household Members: Name Age George Wilson 39 Catherine Wilson 29 William Smiles 8 John Smiles 6 George Smiles 4 Mary Wilson 3 Thomas Wilson 1
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15 Nov 2014 17:25 |
This one is the right district
Births Dec 1874 (>99%)
SMILES John Teesdale 10a 335 ( covers Staindrop)
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15 Nov 2014 17:23 |
On that 1891 census the image has John William and George as surname Smiles
The marriage of mother Catherine Smiles to George was after the birth of John so he should be reg as Smiles not Wilson?
Marriages Dec 1877 (>99%)
Smiles Catherine Teesdale 10a 338 WILSON George Teesdale 10a 338
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Graham
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15 Nov 2014 17:16 |
Record Transcription Back to search results 1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census First Name JOHN Last Name WILSON Birth Year 1876 Age 25 Birth Town Staindrop Birth County Durham Birth Place England Relationship To Head of Household SON-IN-LAW Gender Male Occupation PLASTERER Condition MARRIED Street Parish HARTLEY Town SEATON SLUICE City County Northumberland Country ENGLAND Ecclesiastical District DELAVAL OUR LADY Enumeration District 12 Municipal Ward Parliamentary Borough WANSBECK Registration District TYNEMOUTH Category Census, Land & Surveys Record set 1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census Collections from Great Britain Archive Reference RG13 Folio 52 Page 24 Piece Number 4809
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15 Nov 2014 17:16 |
Just for ref is it this one you are looking for?
1891 England Census about John Wilson Name: John Wilson Age: 16 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1875 Relation: Son Father's Name: George Wilson Mother's name: Catherine Wilson Gender: Male Where born: Staindrop, Durham, England Civil Parish: Staindrop Ecclesiastical parish: Staindrop Town: Staindrop County/Island: Durham Country: England Street address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
Education:
Employment status:
View image Registration district: Teesdale Sub registration district: Staindrop ED, institution, or vessel: 12 Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 4079 Folio: 113 Page Number: 18 Household Members: Name Age George Wilson 50 Catherine Wilson 41 William Wilson 18 John Wilson 16 George Wilson 14 Mary Wilson 13 Harry Wilson 11 Alice Wilson 8 Margaret Wilson 6 Thomas Wilson 1
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